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re: Calling Tigerbaitlawyer back to the CC board to give some actual information
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:57 am to supatigah
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:57 am to supatigah
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The fact is we recruit Guards for a power running game and try to make them tackles because we have struggled recruiting ready made tackles
This was Les' idiot strategy in regards to OL recruiting. The tackles he did recruit were raw projects who usually never developed into starters.
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Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:57 am to RuLSU
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It doesn't matter where he's coached, Ensminger has never produced an elite offensive unit. Aranda, on the other hand, has elite defensive units everywhere he goes
This doesn't address what I said at all. The man has not been allowed a certain period to get the right players to run his offense or any offense for that Matter.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:01 am to bencoleman
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This doesn't address what I said at all. The man has not been allowed a certain period to get the right players to run his offense or any offense for that Matter.
He's struggled at every stop to run an efficient offense. But you're right, lets give him more time. I'm sure he'll get it right....
I like SE and want him on staff, just not at OC. His career as an OC has proven he is not the answer and direction LSU needs to go, it's that simple.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:01 am to bstew3006
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Ben doesn't realize. But he will continue to bash players, no talent, no NFL talent on Oline
This is getting old. It's ridiculous bullshite. Pointing out that the offensive talent isn't there isn't bashing players. It's making the point that Steve is limited by lack of talent in certain positions. You've already been embarrassed by another poster I'm surprised that you're still clinging to the laughable narrative.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:05 am to bstew3006
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Hester Carries
If you knew the history or Bencoleman you would understand why I asked
This right here outs you and should be embarrassing. You refuse to concede a valid point because of who you think that I am. It's pathetic and truth is you should stop responding to me.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:10 am to bencoleman
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This is getting old.
Your constant narrative of no talent sure is getting old.
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You've already been embarrassed by another poster I'm surprised that you're still clinging to the laughable narrative.
Clinging to the laughable narrative? You said this team has zero talent and no NFL talent on the OLine. I disagree and named the NFL talent on the OLine, you ran away from that discussion.
If you want to be critical of Play, go ahead, no problem with that. My problem is you consistently clinging to the this narrative that there is zero talent on this team.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:21 am to bstew3006
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My problem is you consistently clinging to the this narrative that there is zero talent on this team.
like rickydaddy said it is how they prop up under performing coaches.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:23 am to koLSU86
If the powers that be are not all in, what ever it takes on Kingsbury, Lil Briles or Freeze, then we are not all in for winning "Championships". Anything less is smoke and mirriors.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:32 am to bstew3006
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Clinging to the laughable narrative? You said this team has zero talent and no NFL talent on the OLine. I disagree and named the NFL talent on the OLine, you ran away from that discussion.
If you want to be critical of Play, go ahead, no problem with that. My problem is you consistently clinging to the this narrative that there is zero talent on this team
I must've missed this post naming this NFL talent along the offensive line.
This is my last post to you because of the above post. Have a great day.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:39 am to bencoleman
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This right here outs you and should be embarrassing
Outs me for what, calling out your constant player bashing to prop up underperforming coaches? ok, I'm embarrassed
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Name NFL talent on the oline - Bencoleman
I think there is plenty of NFL talent on the line. Are you asking who's ready today? or who will be in the nfl at any point?
I'm simple asking it back, do you not want to answer?
You saying that Cushenberry, Charles, Magee, Deculus and Hines will never make it to the league? None of them will make it? is that what you are saying?
I'm not saying that these guys are Andrew Whitworths and will have sustained careers. But to suggest not one of them has NFL talent is laughable and goes back to you saying no talent to prop up an underperforming coach.
Point is you will never hold a coach responsible for the performance on the field and will bash players.
If you want to call out bad oline play, which is valid and said so to Hester. The oline play was bad all year, not bc of a lack of talent. There were injuries, suspensions that made it a patch work job all year, so they couldn't gel and no help from OC to take pressure off. But you basically call them no talented players, which is a shitty position to take!
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:47 am to Fat Bastard
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like rickydaddy said it is how they prop up under performing coaches
exactly.
Now I need Tigerbaitlawyer, nevermind I need DaLSU to come and totally contradict TBLawyer and tell us that big changes are coming to get this board fired up
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:05 am to bencoleman
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With a shitload of NFL talent.
Name the NFL talent on the offensive line.
It's the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Jesus Christ you're a fricking moron.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:10 am to bstew3006
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Now I need Tigerbaitlawyer, nevermind I need DaLSU to come and totally contradict TBLawyer and tell us that big changes are coming to get this board fired up
Yes, I'm anxious to see this board all fired up at 3:06am when DaLSU comes in to spread his vague 'insider information.'
Quite honestly, I hope TBL is wrong. LSU needs a drastic change in offensive identity.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:11 am to RB10
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With a shitload of NFL talent.
Name the NFL talent on the offensive line.
It's the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Jesus Christ you're a fricking moron
Please explain what is moronic about any of the above and if valid I'll concede the point but if you are just talking out of your arse which is what you usually do then you self ban.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:11 am to smash williams
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The offense having no identity should have been expected.
- Returning offensive production, Giles disappointment
- OL injuries/suspension, lack of continuity there
- Burrow only arriving a few months before the season
- Pettigrew and Moss injury, Moreau banged up early in the season prevented them from running 12 personnel packages
- Back to back seasons installing new schemes
You forgot to add:
-Reluctant old man as OC
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:13 am to bencoleman
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Please explain what is moronic about any of the above and if valid I'll concede the point but if you are just talking out of your arse which is what you usually do then you self ban.
Total Defense: 31st
Scoring Defense: 24th
Total Offense: 77th
Scoring Offense: 44th
Both scoring rankings are skewed because of a 7 overtime game.
I'll repeat, you're a fricking moron.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:16 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:20 am to RB10
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RB10
Easy, don't bring facts.
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The only problem with this is Steve hasn't had time to get the right players. You haven't given Steve that chance. It's a shitty way to be. Steve doesn't have the pool of talent - bencoleman
SE just needs time and Talent, its the players!!! Even though his entire career/time as an OC doesn't suggest anything different will change with time and talent.
SE is a good coach for LSU, just coaching the wrong position. But I've been told that's a shitty position to have.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:24 am to bstew3006
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This right here outs you and should be embarrassing
Outs me for what, calling out your constant player bashing to prop up underperforming coaches? ok, I'm embarrassed
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Name NFL talent on the oline - Bencoleman
I think there is plenty of NFL talent on the line. Are you asking who's ready today? or who will be in the nfl at any point?
I'm simple asking it back, do you not want to answer?
You saying that Cushenberry, Charles, Magee, Deculus and Hines will never make it to the league? None of them will make it? is that what you are saying?
I'm not saying that these guys are Andrew Whitworths and will have sustained careers. But to suggest not one of them has NFL talent is laughable and goes back to you saying no talent to prop up an underperforming coach.
Point is you will never hold a coach responsible for the performance on the field and will bash players.
If you want to call out bad oline play, which is valid and said so to Hester. The oline play was bad all year, not bc of a lack of talent. There were injuries, suspensions that made it a patch work job all year, so they couldn't gel and no help from OC to take pressure off. But you basically call them no talented players, which is a shitty position to take
Saying that they're not NFL talent doesn't say that they aren't talented at all. It's also not to say that they can't improve. It totally misses the point which is Steve didn't have the pool of talent that Aranda had to work with which should temper our criticism of Steve moving forward. For whatever reason you and others have chosen to ignore that fact and go full force attacking Steve. My position is simple, Steve deserves a chance to get more players in place before he gets slammed. This is neither moronic nor unreasonable. It's not meant as a stab at the players it's simply stating facts that the offensive line wasn't very good and it wasn't. You and others don't want to admit it because it weakens your anti Steve argument. I'll be critical of the coaches when it's warranted.
If O shits the bed in year 3 which is the courtesy that I'd give any coach I'll be most vocal about anything that I think deserves it but unlike you and others I don't criticize just to criticize. I want to know the actual reasons why the offense was putrid not some bullshite anti Steve argument. If you can't understand that that's fine too. There are plenty of anti O morons on this board. Mindless drones that follow the anti O narrative. You fit right in.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:25 am to RB10
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Total Defense: 31st
Scoring Defense: 24th
Total Offense: 77th
Scoring Offense: 44th
Both scoring rankings are skewed because of a 7 overtime game.
I'll repeat, you're a fricking moron
In other words you don't have an answer. Why is that not surprising.
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 10:29 am to RuLSU
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Yes, I'm anxious to see this board all fired up at 3:06am when DaLSU comes in to spread his vague 'insider information.'
This place will explode
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Quite honestly, I hope TBL is wrong. LSU needs a drastic change in offensive identity.
Absolutely!
If there are "small changes", expect more of the same. Too many people are focused on exceeding Preaseason predictions of 6-6/7-5 and celebrating that, instead of focusing on the reality of the offense.
There needs to be a dramatic shift in the offense and there are underlying issues in the message from coaches to players that has handicapped this offense for 8-10 years. New faces and voices are needed from top to bottom on offensive staff, to make that change. Small tweaks wont get it done.
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