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re: Am i seriously the only person who thinks that Bret Bielema was a great hire?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:48 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:48 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:You should look up "terrible" in the dictionary. You can't win the conference 3 straight years if your record is terrible.
His B1G record is terrible.
quote:This exact phrase has been copied-and-pasted and passed around so much. It's like people are trying to convince themselves of something
23-1 against Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota and 16-18 against the rest.
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:58 am to genro
I stand by terrible.
The Big 10 has been down during his tenure. Top 4 SEC teams would win it every year he has been there without a loss.
I did copy that. It shocked me. He is coming to a harder conference and to a state without much instate talent surrounded by programs with a lot of recruiting prowess.
I think they will be mediocre, and to me that is terrible. I would think an LSU coach that kept us mediocre was terrible. I assume you feel the same way about Bama. I know everyone though Shula was "terrible" and he was mediocre.
The Big 10 has been down during his tenure. Top 4 SEC teams would win it every year he has been there without a loss.
I did copy that. It shocked me. He is coming to a harder conference and to a state without much instate talent surrounded by programs with a lot of recruiting prowess.
I think they will be mediocre, and to me that is terrible. I would think an LSU coach that kept us mediocre was terrible. I assume you feel the same way about Bama. I know everyone though Shula was "terrible" and he was mediocre.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:58 am to genro
Two of those titles/Rose Bowls deserve a bit of an asterisk. This year needs no explanation. Two years ago was a three way tie, and they easily could have been flipped to the Cap One instead of Sparty and gotten raped by Alabama.
He has a lot of Les style game management issues. And, while this may be sour grapes, there is a lot of smoke that was he was a dick and people wanted to run him, so he bolted. I just think it's a weird fit. He did a nice job managing Alvarez's baby in a mediocre conference. The crappy recruiting cuts both ways. He apparently can coach 'em up, but as a fish out of water down south, can he get any competitive talent to Fayetteville? I am going on record as saying he is just pushing for a place to cash checks until Ferentz leaves Iowa, and you'll need a new coach in three years. I hope I'm wrong, though, because I would like to see such a bold move work.
You guys should have thrown that money at Mark Dantonio if you wanted a good B1G coach.
He has a lot of Les style game management issues. And, while this may be sour grapes, there is a lot of smoke that was he was a dick and people wanted to run him, so he bolted. I just think it's a weird fit. He did a nice job managing Alvarez's baby in a mediocre conference. The crappy recruiting cuts both ways. He apparently can coach 'em up, but as a fish out of water down south, can he get any competitive talent to Fayetteville? I am going on record as saying he is just pushing for a place to cash checks until Ferentz leaves Iowa, and you'll need a new coach in three years. I hope I'm wrong, though, because I would like to see such a bold move work.
You guys should have thrown that money at Mark Dantonio if you wanted a good B1G coach.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 9:10 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 8:58 am to genro
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You should look up "terrible" in the dictionary. You can't win the conference 3 straight years if your record is terrible.
39-19 is terrible to me in a weak conference.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:02 am to Bunk Moreland
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Two of those titles/Rose Bowls deserve a bit of an asterisk. This year needs no explanation. Two years ago was a three way tie, and they easily could have been flipped to the Cap One instead of Sparty and gotten raped by Bama.
This as well. OSU won it this year and two years ago was a fluke. This year he has 5 losses and made it to the Rose Bowl.
And I never said he "can't" recruit. I just said he was an average recruiter and coming to a part of the world where the recruiting is ridiculous, dirty, and a full time job in itself AND he needs to venture out of Arky for the big names. If he hires some ace recruiters, I'll eat my words.
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You guys should have thrown that money at Mark Dantonio.
Wouldn't leave, but would fit in well in the SEC with his defenses.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:06 am to The Sultan of Swine
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headed to his third Rose Bowl in a row.
amazing how you guys keep pointing to this, yet somehow Les' NC and SEC titles was below you. Keep it up
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:08 am to BilJ
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amazing how you guys keep pointing to this, yet somehow Les' NC and SEC titles was below you. Keep it up
Amazing how you LSU fans didn't really understand what we were talking about. Had nothing to do with Les not being a great coach with great accomplishments. Holy hell.
ETA: I am feeling better about the hire today. It took me a bit to warm up to it and I still have to see what kind of staff he hires.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 9:10 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:15 am to DC RaiseHerBack
Dont understand all the hate.
You can judge how good a coach is by how well those before him did.
He gave Wisonsin their first 11 win regular season and the greatest 3 year run in their history.
He was a couple ridiculous hail mary's from the national championship.
I dont understand how people look at a guy Les Miles record at OK State and say its a great hire then look at BB at Wisconsin and dont like it.7-5 seasons happen
You can judge how good a coach is by how well those before him did.
He gave Wisonsin their first 11 win regular season and the greatest 3 year run in their history.
He was a couple ridiculous hail mary's from the national championship.
I dont understand how people look at a guy Les Miles record at OK State and say its a great hire then look at BB at Wisconsin and dont like it.7-5 seasons happen
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:22 am to Titus Pullo
It's a solid hire. A recruiting strategy can be tailored to his background. While the southeast has a shitload of talent, there really isn't enough to meet all the school's aspirations.
While Arky can and has gotten some of that talent, they need to expand their base. TX recruiting which is most important can be addressed through his staff. But Ark is also ideally suited to be a gateway school for MW talent and Bielema is a guy who can tap into it.
MO, which is the school most suited as the gateway, is at least a decade away of investment and learning before they will feel like an SEC school. Ark can exploit this delay now. Will it work? Time will tell, but it's a reasonable strategy.
While Arky can and has gotten some of that talent, they need to expand their base. TX recruiting which is most important can be addressed through his staff. But Ark is also ideally suited to be a gateway school for MW talent and Bielema is a guy who can tap into it.
MO, which is the school most suited as the gateway, is at least a decade away of investment and learning before they will feel like an SEC school. Ark can exploit this delay now. Will it work? Time will tell, but it's a reasonable strategy.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:50 am to Titus Pullo
I think it was a great hire. Proven track record and much better character on the recruiting trail than Petrino. Congrats Arky .
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:50 am to Titus Pullo
i like it a lot, very amused at those who do not 
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:51 am to Titus Pullo
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The people laughing about this will never admit they were wrong, but you got a damn good coach.
Solid, not spectacular. Wisky fans think he is a bonehead half the time, so his hires will be the most important aspect of the deal.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
Bielema seems to be a very good coach IMO. I want to see how much Arky gives him to hire assistants, as apparantly that was the main reason he left Wisconsin.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 9:56 am to rocket31
I think it looks great on paper. However not sure how this all shook out that it is the right hire. will have to see what kind of staff he puts together.
I see gus and freeze dipping into arkansas to split that states talent pool three ways.
I don't see gus able to out recruit saban and richt for bama and georgia recuits.
Bret better have strong recruiting roots planted in texas, north la, and memphis to be successful.
I see gus and freeze dipping into arkansas to split that states talent pool three ways.
I don't see gus able to out recruit saban and richt for bama and georgia recuits.
Bret better have strong recruiting roots planted in texas, north la, and memphis to be successful.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:00 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Bielema seems to be a very good coach IMO. I want to see how much Arky gives him to hire assistants, as apparantly that was the main reason he left Wisconsin.
I think he is Les Miles without the recruiting ability. He has some growing to do, and needs to hire home run assistant coaches. He isn't a great game day coach.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:01 am to TRUERockyTop
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Posted by TRUERockyTop
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You never heard his name till he was hired you heard all the other names. why? because it was desperation. shite no one wants to coach us. Hey some guy at Wisconsin called, frick it hire him.
This needs to be framed
Clearly BB wasnt in the running until late in the game
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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and needs to hire home run assistant coaches.
very critical variable (as it usually is)
the next question is how dirty he gets in recruiting. the Big10 has insane unwritten rules about recruiting
will he hire a trooper taylor? big issue
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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will he hire a trooper taylor? big issue
would you say Frank Wilson is a "Trooper Taylor"?
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:09 am to Titus Pullo
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Arkansas, you did much better with this hire than.had you gotten some of the other names.that were mentioned.
I think Bielema's style combined with the talent Arky will get is not going to be enough to win the SEC West very often..... I mean it seems to me he likes "Big Boy" football and will be doing it with LSU and Bama IN HIS DIVISION. I mean it will be the toughest division in football to try and do that in IMO.
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:09 am to Elleshoe
no. and i was actually going to add something similar
wilson is a god icon in many nola schools b/c of his work as a HS coach there. he used that to parlay it into recruiting-coaching jobs at schools, and he learned how to be a big recruiter outside of his niche area
is there another top-notch HS HC in TX that BB could hire on his staff as QB coach?
it sounds stupid, but a track record is developing. malzhan, morris, freeze, etc. if you get the right guy, it can work. it gives you credibility in the region for recruiting and if you hire the right guy, will work on the field
wilson is a god icon in many nola schools b/c of his work as a HS coach there. he used that to parlay it into recruiting-coaching jobs at schools, and he learned how to be a big recruiter outside of his niche area
is there another top-notch HS HC in TX that BB could hire on his staff as QB coach?
it sounds stupid, but a track record is developing. malzhan, morris, freeze, etc. if you get the right guy, it can work. it gives you credibility in the region for recruiting and if you hire the right guy, will work on the field
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