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Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:42 pm to Geauxtexastyger
quote:Yep, see alot of that. And I'll preface this with I had 3 coaches, not two, I would've prefered before going to the CEO option myself.
No, freaking out because the best Pro-Orgeron arguments that can be found are:
"he has Louisiana roots"
"he loves LSU"
But, there is two arguments that can be made in favor of him:
1. Everybody points to the disaster at Ole Miss, but he has had two stints as HC (at P5 schools) that were anything but disasters. And the Ole Miss debacle is the oldest, not most recent; that's probably significant.
*[With the counter being he has never built/run a program with full control himself, so lack of experience there]*
2. The team did respond in a positive way. I'm talking improved performance and buy in, not what the players want. Now that improvement might not have been significant, but it damn sure wasn't a huge drop off (which would have negatively affected recruiting).
I know, in most peoples minds that's not enough. I just did want to point out there is SOME logical reasoning there.
I'm resigned that the search is over and let's wait and see. Now move on to keeping Aranda and getting maybe the next up-and-comer OC to solidfy to the best of their ability, the decisions that have been made.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:42 pm to Geauxtexastyger
well I agree about that. But I don't believe shite like that factored in to alleva's decision.
There's two types of head coaches. X's and O's guys, and program managers. John Harbaugh has never even been a coordinator at any level, but he's a pretty fricking good HC. Mack Brown, Les Miles, guys liek this will succeed as long as they recruit and hire good coordinators, and I think orgeron can do that
There's two types of head coaches. X's and O's guys, and program managers. John Harbaugh has never even been a coordinator at any level, but he's a pretty fricking good HC. Mack Brown, Les Miles, guys liek this will succeed as long as they recruit and hire good coordinators, and I think orgeron can do that
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:09 pm to el duderino III
Lol dude, GFY. Fedora wouldn't have commanded 6 million a year.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:11 pm to el duderino III
No...its about him not being a better choice than A LOT OF COACHES, not just Herman.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:12 pm to yimbeaux
quote:
even if we offered more than tx would have, he still would have gone to tx
some fans need to realize this
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:12 pm to el duderino III
People will be laughing at Herman and the UT melt next year - Book it.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:16 pm to el duderino III
quote:
Orgeron is a better coach than miles, and is inheriting an even more stacked roster.
I don't think the roster is loaded like it was in 05
we're about to lose a ton of talent...
but I mostly agree with you point
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:26 pm to I20goon
quote:
I still fail to see where Herman and his resume are better than CEO. Not saying CEO is the best, or right, choice... just why Herman (using facts) is light-years better. Jimbo, even a Cutcliffe or MacIntyre, have better resumes than both.
What in the actual frick is this shite??
Herman has more top 25 wins in 2 years at Houston then Orgeron has in 3 years at Ole Miss and a year at USC and LSU.
Think about that for a second
In fact Herman is undefeated against top 25 teams. And he was involved in destroying a Bama defense in The playoffs. We couldn't cross the 50 yard line.
Saban consulted him to help with his offense. When has he consulted Orgeron?
He is a member of Mensa and smart as frick
Do you need more?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 6:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Do you need more?
Yeah, why during the year he could've guided Houston to the playoffs did his team shite the bed against Navy, Memphis St. and SMfrickingU? Top 25 wins are great until you don't win the games you should. If he pulled that shite here, guys like you would be calling for his head. Right now, you're too shortsighted to consider those absolute screw ups on his part.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 6:45 pm to el duderino III
quote:
GIVEN THAT, give me arguments about why mullet gundy, fedora, or any of the other B-list coaches would have been a better choice than O.
Because all are significantly better coaches than 0.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 6:48 pm to yimbeaux
I don't believe that. Enough money will persuade anyone.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 6:50 pm to el duderino III
Umm. Yes we did have Herman. Alleva settled for sloppy seconds.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 7:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
LOL, upset easy don't you. You know how I know you are using bias an emotion to drive your point? Not the frick and shite, the fact that you went out of your way to make it sound like CEO never beat a ranked team.
Seasons mean something. Playing a full season in a P5 conference affects the team and it's preparation. Also experience, again in a P5 conference, means something.
I see, and know, your point. Those top-25 wins mean something. I draw a correlation with Peterson when he was at Boise St. But for every Peterson there are plenty of those that can't run a program 'in the big leagues'. We don't exactly know where Herman is. If he learned alot from Meyer (Orlando and Applewhite too) then chances are he'll be fine. But that's still a risk. So from a resume standpoint I am of the opinion that the experience at 3 P5 schools outweighs those Top-25 wins.
By the way... how many losses to unranked non-P5 schools does he have in those 2 years? That matters too. And, to add to that: did those totals increase or decrease year over year?
I'll go ahead and counter your selecting of only Ole Miss for CEO and use CEO's record at LSU and USC only and give you that number for him: 1, the only unranked team that CEO lost to at USC+LSU is Notre Dame, in his first game, which is a rivalry game.
To reiterate, I'm only talking about resumes. Not saying CEO should have gotten the job. So to consider a resume you have to look at consistency, trajectory, and experience and weight the good against good and the bad against bad. In my opinion Tom Herman isn't light years ahead of CEO with all things considered. Better? maybe, depends how you weight all those factors. In my opinion, because the 'big leagues' experience and consistency matter alot to me- no.
I'm not ignoring the Peterson type performances & records, I would expect Herman to fit that pattern coming to LSU (don't think he'll pull it off at UT though). But then again, Peterson had many many more performances and experience under his belt. Several years of one-loss or undefeated records with #1 votes. Let's not pretend Herman has that.
Seasons mean something. Playing a full season in a P5 conference affects the team and it's preparation. Also experience, again in a P5 conference, means something.
I see, and know, your point. Those top-25 wins mean something. I draw a correlation with Peterson when he was at Boise St. But for every Peterson there are plenty of those that can't run a program 'in the big leagues'. We don't exactly know where Herman is. If he learned alot from Meyer (Orlando and Applewhite too) then chances are he'll be fine. But that's still a risk. So from a resume standpoint I am of the opinion that the experience at 3 P5 schools outweighs those Top-25 wins.
By the way... how many losses to unranked non-P5 schools does he have in those 2 years? That matters too. And, to add to that: did those totals increase or decrease year over year?
I'll go ahead and counter your selecting of only Ole Miss for CEO and use CEO's record at LSU and USC only and give you that number for him: 1, the only unranked team that CEO lost to at USC+LSU is Notre Dame, in his first game, which is a rivalry game.
To reiterate, I'm only talking about resumes. Not saying CEO should have gotten the job. So to consider a resume you have to look at consistency, trajectory, and experience and weight the good against good and the bad against bad. In my opinion Tom Herman isn't light years ahead of CEO with all things considered. Better? maybe, depends how you weight all those factors. In my opinion, because the 'big leagues' experience and consistency matter alot to me- no.
I'm not ignoring the Peterson type performances & records, I would expect Herman to fit that pattern coming to LSU (don't think he'll pull it off at UT though). But then again, Peterson had many many more performances and experience under his belt. Several years of one-loss or undefeated records with #1 votes. Let's not pretend Herman has that.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 7:39 pm to el duderino III
quote:
Herman wasn't coming here. Neither was Fisher. They both used LSU as leverage
FSU didn't give Fisher a raise. They wouldn't have fought for him if he agreed to terms with LSU. Where's the leverage?
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