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re: Al Bourges of SDSU
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:38 pm to rjokerlsu
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:38 pm to rjokerlsu
Do you LSU fans believe that Miles will get rid of GC? Is it another situation like Tubberville at Auburn? Tubberville would change coordinators, I believe that Borges took the fall for Tubberville and it gained Tubby another year ot two at Auburn. But he refused to get rid of certain assistants and it eventually helped cause his downfall at AU. Will Miles let Crowton take him down with him, or does he see the writing on the wall? How do you think Crowton would do if he had an outstanding quarterback?
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:41 pm to AU86
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Borges was coordinator at UCLA and his offenses there were outstanding. I think he was at UCLA when they won the NC.
When did UCLA last win a PAC championship?
Did UCLA ever win a NC in football??
However, I do believe AL Borges to be a major upgrade over GC. And, a solid OC that runs a balanced offense.
This post was edited on 12/24/10 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:42 pm to tigernchicago
Didn't they win one when Toledo was there? I may be wrong.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:45 pm to AU86
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n't they win one when Toledo was there? I may be wrong.
Heck, I am 56 years old. The only time I remember UCLA being a significant national spotlight was in the mid to late 1960s when Gary Beban was in the running for the Heisman. OJ and USC crashed and burned his chances.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:49 pm to AU86
I lookoed it up. UCLA claims a NC in football in 1954, the year I was born. No wonder I did not remember it.
UCLA shared 2 PAC championships in the 1990s before winning one outright in 1998.
UCLA shared 2 PAC championships in the 1990s before winning one outright in 1998.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:51 pm to AU86
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Didn't they win one when Toledo was there?
Posted on 12/24/10 at 5:51 pm to tigernchicago
You are right, it was a national championship in basketball that they won in the 90's that I must have been thinking of. Big difference in football and basketball.

Posted on 12/24/10 at 6:31 pm to AU86
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Is it another situation like Tubberville at Auburn? Tubberville would change coordinators, I believe that Borges took the fall for Tubberville and it gained Tubby another year ot two at Auburn. But he refused to get rid of certain assistants and it eventually helped cause his downfall at AU
Well, Miles has consistently hired good assistants, with Frank Wilson and Ron Cooper being the most successful. So with a few notable exceptions, there's never been a clamor to fire asst. coaches. The fans want to get rid of Crowton more than any other asst. coach/coordinator that I can think of.
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Will Miles let Crowton take him down with him, or does he see the writing on the wall
The Miles-Crowton dynamic is a strange one, as some people say they are good friends while others say they argue over playcalling, which has supposedly been one of the causes for poor clock management. But the main thing that seems to be keeping Crowton alive, at least last year, was money.
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How do you think Crowton would do if he had an outstanding quarterback?
He would obviously do better, but that doesn't make him a good coordinator. Cam Newton made Auburn better, Tebow made UF better, etc. With a good QB, our offensive ranking would maybe jump up a good bit into the upper sixties then. Crowton's offense still has major flaws, and I guarentee you that LSU would be better if they hired a good OC.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 6:53 pm to south bama tiger
I attended games at Jordan Hare in the eighties when hundreds or thousands of people would shout:
"Fire Jack Crow". It eventually happened.
Maybe you should try this at Tiger Stadium.
I saw LSU in person this year and with an offense that team would have been dominant. How good is your talent at running back? Not meant as a flame, but I wasn't impressed with your running game. Running game was really hurt by a lack of a balanced offense. You have got some talent on offense that is not being utilized very well. I think that LSU is one player away from being a great team and that is a quarterback. I guess the question is: With the win over bama and the ten win season, does Miles feel comfortable and secure enough to stay with the status quote?
"Fire Jack Crow". It eventually happened.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 7:17 pm to AU86
I would take Borges at LSU in a heartbeat.I'll wait until Miles actually gets rid of Crowton before i get my hopes up about anyone.Heard the rumors of Florida but the popular theory now is that both of their coordinators are alredy hired and are coming from the NFL.Just what is being talked about.I don't know how true it is.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 7:23 pm to AU86
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I saw LSU in person this year and with an offense that team would have been dominant
That's pretty much been the thoughts of all LSU fans.
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How good is your talent at running back? Not meant as a flame, but I wasn't impressed with your running game. Running game was really hurt by a lack of a balanced offense
Well, our starter Steven Ridley is 1st team ALL-SEC, so the talent is there. Despite an average o-line and terrible passing game, Ridley put up almost 1100 yards rushing and 14 TDs.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 7:35 pm to south bama tiger
I think that you are right on about your o-line this year. I made the comment during the game that I don't think that I have ever seen as much speed on defense as LSU had this year. It was amazing, great athletes. The difference in the game was Cam, Auburn's o-line and the lack of an LSU offense. BTW: Your punter was outstanding that day. He pinned AU deep several times.
Did not realize that Ridley had those type of numbers this year: great season for him.
Did not realize that Ridley had those type of numbers this year: great season for him.
This post was edited on 12/24/10 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 12/24/10 at 7:49 pm to AU86
LSU just needs an OC that isn't an overthinking moron.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 8:34 pm to TheDoc
Borges would be incredible. He runs a very balanced West Coast scheme and it is just money if the talent is there.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 10:01 pm to AU86
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I believe that Borges took the fall for Tubberville and it gained Tubby another year ot two at Auburn.
Auburn went like 11-2 in 2006 and had a another solid season in 07 even with Kodi Burns playing QB cause of Cox injury issues.
So not sure how the firing of Borges helped Tubby gain another year of two like you said, cause he was fired in 08.
I have been on the Borges bandwagon FOREVER (or at least the past year lol). He is the absolute perfect guy to be the OC here at LSU. The position coaches do the recruiting so he wouldn't have to worry about that.
Bring Borges to Baton Rouge.
And to the OP its Borges !
This post was edited on 12/24/10 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/24/10 at 10:18 pm to MrWiseGuy
Who's the OC at Tulsa?
Pretty creative and balanced
Pretty creative and balanced
Posted on 12/24/10 at 10:22 pm to MrWiseGuy
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and had a another solid season in 07 even with Kodi Burns playing QB cause of Cox injury issues.
Uh, no. Kodi came in after Cox was benched as we started 1-2, and after halftime of the New Mexico State game our team became legit with Cox at the helm.
I don't remember Cox going out with injury, and any plays Kodi was in on was situational at best.
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So not sure how the firing of Borges helped Tubby gain another year of two like you said, cause he was fired in 08.
...no he was not. Borges was fired before the bowl game in 2007 because our offense was terrible, mainly because of our WRs which sucked nuts. We hired Tony Franklin and our offense was fiya in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl as we beat Clemson. Then, in 2008, our offense was LSU-esque and our team sucked.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 10:23 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 12/24/10 at 10:56 pm to SPEEDY
Man speedy, you're on top of this.
It would be a slam dunk hire.
It would be a slam dunk hire.
Posted on 12/24/10 at 11:54 pm to Ross
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...no he was not. Borges was fired before the bowl game in 2007 because our offense was terrible, mainly because of our WRs which sucked nuts. We hired Tony Franklin and our offense was fiya in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl as we beat Clemson. Then, in 2008, our offense was LSU-esque and our team sucked.
I was talking about Tubbs being fired in 08. Not Borges. Why would I say Borges would be fired in 08? When a HC is fired the other assistants are not retained, like Whipple or Cigniti
I can't believe Auburn people thought there offense was terrible and ran off Al. Auburn averaged more points per game the year AFTER Cadillac, Brown and Campbell and all those guys left. Can't remember if Obomanu and Aromashadu were still there, but I loved the way Borges used Mix in the LSU game. He killed us in 05
And Cox had injuries all year that he battled through in 08. I know out of HS he has head problems, not sure exactly what it was. But those kept popping on him.
This post was edited on 12/25/10 at 12:06 am
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