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re: About Dave Aranda as a possible coach in waiting
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:27 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:27 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
I said give him a chance. I never said he would be the best coordinator of all time. You are splitting hairs. I agree with what the guy said. Dave Aranda reminds me a lot of Chavis because he likes to stay out of the media, and he doesn’t really do to much on the recruiting trail. I also don’t see him wanting to give up defensive play calling. To me, the reason why he is such a good DC is he has complete control over everything going on as far as calling plays and putting players in the best position to succeed. I don’t see him wanting to give up play calling defensively and I also see him wanting to have input offensively. History shows those coordinators who refuse to give up play calling on the defensive side of the ball tend to not do so well as a HC.
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Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:30 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Aranda has experience at LSU, experience recruiting the south now, experience in Louisiana, and he is a damn good defensive mind who seems to be very well organized and smart. I say roll with it. I mean, if we can hire an idiot shrimp boat captain who was a proven failure, the worst coach in Ole Miss history, we can take a chance on one of the top minds in the country.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:31 pm to jgoodw318
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History shows those coordinators who refuse to give up play calling on the defensive side of the ball tend to not do so well as a HC.
Not true. Plenty of great coordinators become Head Coaches and successfully implement their offense or defense in which they have a huge influence in. Orgeron s problem is he is a DLine coach who would rather tell the OC how to do his job.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:34 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
And plenty of great coordinators who become head coaches unsuccessfully implement their offense or defense in which they have a huge influence in. Your argument can go both ways.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:36 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:I can't answer your question because I don't know who the choices are. But if you want a name, as a hypothetical, let's say that Jack Del Rio is still available next year and O gets fired. I would take Del Rio over Aranda. Del Rio is a proven head coach with some minor ties to LSU.
Here’s the problem, you aren’t the first person to address those of us who would be open to Dave Aranda as head coach, yet nobody has said who they would prefer. I can understand being cautious about hiring a coach who hasn’t been a head coach before, but O was hired simply because he had head coaching experience, even though it was an extremely terrible experience. Your skepticism could apply to anyone, not just Aranda, so therefor any answer you could have given me would make you a hypocrite. Hence why you couldn’t answer.
And you misread my OP. I'm also open to Aranda as the HC if Special Ed gets fired. I'm simply pointing out that the skill set for HC is different from the skill set for DC or OC.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:41 pm to jgoodw318
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And plenty of great coordinators who become head coaches unsuccessfully implement their offense or defense in which they have a huge influence in. Your argument can go both ways.
Right, but you won’t know the answer to who’s who until they take that leap. It’s about putting it all together. Mike Leach has a great offense, but his defense is horrible. Muschamp had good defenses at Florida, but his offense was severely lacking. Aranda can have his defense humming, but does he know what offense he needs to win championships? I think he does.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:48 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Lol ok dude. You do realize those two guys finish around 9-3 just about every year right? So your argument for Aranda based off of those two coaches is pretty dumb. I thought the whole point of replacing O is to get someone who will win championships, not be mediocre.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:49 pm to L.A.
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can't answer your question because I don't know who the choices are. But if you want a name, as a hypothetical, let's say that Jack Del Rio is still available next year and O gets fired. I would take Del Rio over Aranda. Del Rio is a proven head coach with some minor ties to LSU.
Jack Del Rio would be fine but he’d still have some of the same questions though. He never coached college. Could he recruit? Could he handle the college aspect and know what it takes to make sure kids get their grades in order to play? What kind of offense would he run? He might be a great college coach, idk. I’d be open to him too and he’d be an upgrade. But Arandas been in the college ranks and knows how to deal with student athletes. Both would have great defense I think, but what would their offenses look like? I just want you to see that while your questions are valid, it doesn’t mean that Aranda wouldn’t be a great hire, and that it applies to anyone we would hire.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:54 pm to L.A.
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A head coach must have skills in leadership, personal relationships, organization, and administration
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maintaining the highest level of integrity
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He has to be decisive in order to make in-game decisions, and have thick enough skin to live with criticism when he makes an unpopular decision
hmmm, Alleva needed this check list when he hire Orgeron. Instead of:
Is he cheap?
Does he talk the language?
Is he cheap?
Does he have a binder?
Is he cheap?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:54 pm to jgoodw318
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Lol ok dude. You do realize those two guys finish around 9-3 just about every year right? So your argument for Aranda based off of those two coaches is pretty dumb. I thought the whole point of replacing O is to get someone who will win championships, not be mediocre.
Reading comprehension not your thing? They were the unsuccessful coaches you mentioned, and the sides of the ball they were coordinators on weren’t the problem. The trick is to get a coordinator that can get you championship quality units on the other side of the ball. I said I think Aranda knows what offenses are needed to win championships. If you disagree, then I really don’t give a shite because you compared Saban to Orgeron. That’s about as dumb as one can get.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:55 pm to L.A.
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Jack Del Rio
What year is it??
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:57 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
I did not bring up those guys. You did. One thing that doesn’t surprise me is you completely writing off what someone else thinks that is different from you. That’s the problem with most of you on this board. You can’t come up with a thought on your own. Y’all are a bunch of groupthink idiots who will run down anybody that disagrees with you.
So let me get this straight. You are arguing to wait and see on something that you admit to not knowing what would happen. Wow. Seems like you could make the same argument for other coaches as well. You have NO IDEA what will happen next year. We could be the worst offense in the SEC. Then again, we could be the best offense in the SEC. You literally do not know what will happen. That was my whole point yesterday.
So let me get this straight. You are arguing to wait and see on something that you admit to not knowing what would happen. Wow. Seems like you could make the same argument for other coaches as well. You have NO IDEA what will happen next year. We could be the worst offense in the SEC. Then again, we could be the best offense in the SEC. You literally do not know what will happen. That was my whole point yesterday.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:58 pm to L.A.
If I were the President/Czar of LSU, I'd replace both Alleva and O today. I'd promote Aranda to HC and have someone on staff act as Acting AD until I was able to hire away A&M's AD.
I'd tell Aranda, "you have my full support. I'm giving you a 5-year, $4.5M/yr contract and I will do everything in my power to give you political cover, regardless of the results, for 3 years. I'm confident you will be able to win at least 6 games a year as a worst-case scenario and given the time, I know you will be a championship-caliber HC. Who do you want on staff? I'd like an elite OC. I know you need to be able to work with someone but let's do a real search and hire a great guy. We can go up to about $2M/yr. How does that sound?"
I'd tell Aranda, "you have my full support. I'm giving you a 5-year, $4.5M/yr contract and I will do everything in my power to give you political cover, regardless of the results, for 3 years. I'm confident you will be able to win at least 6 games a year as a worst-case scenario and given the time, I know you will be a championship-caliber HC. Who do you want on staff? I'd like an elite OC. I know you need to be able to work with someone but let's do a real search and hire a great guy. We can go up to about $2M/yr. How does that sound?"
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:59 pm to L.A.
Dave Aranda would always have a great defense. He seems smart enough to hire a great offensive coordinator and leave them alone. If he wins, the recruiting will take care of itself. I'm sold and nothing can be worse than Coach Coonass.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 3:06 pm to jgoodw318
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So let me get this straight. You are arguing to wait and see on something that you admit to not knowing what would happen.
No, I’m saying that anyone we hire would have question marks. You on the other hand want to wait and wait and hope and wish LSU to a championship under a shrimp boat captain.
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Then again, we could be the best offense in the SEC. You literally do not know what will happen. That was my whole point yesterday.
Yea, because Nick Saban lost 4 games that one year we should should give O some more chances to right the ship with our TE coach who hasn’t implemented his own offense in 20 years
I know what is probably going to happen, and it’s the same shite we are used to. Because nothing is going to change until something changes.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 3:16 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
He just finished his first year. I’m not calling for O to stay on for 10 more years. I’m not even calling for him to stay on 3 more years. I’m waiting to see what will happen this year. If we don’t see improvements on the offensive side of the ball and win 9-10 games then O and everybody else needs to go. Period. End of story. If we do see improvements and win 9-10 games give him one more year to win the west. If he doesn’t win the West in year 3, get him out no matter what.
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