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About Dave Aranda as a possible coach in waiting
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:04 pm
I'm just as frustrated as the rest of you with the direction of the football team under Orgeron, but I'm not as convinced as some of you that Dave Aranda will be a great choice as head coach just because he's a great defensive coordinator.
He is a great coordinator, not doubt about it. But being a brilliant coordinator does not necessarily mean a guy will be a great head coach. Being a head coach is about more than X's and O's. A head coach must have skills in leadership, personal relationships, organization, and administration. He has to be able to inspire the team and the other coaches. He has to be able to motivate the team and the other coaches. He needs impersonal skills to relate to boosters, and school administrators, all while keeping his eye on the prize, and maintaining the highest level of integrity. He has to be good at relationships so that he can build solid, lasting relationships with the high school coaches who will funnel players into his program. He has to be decisive in order to make in-game decisions, and have thick enough skin to live with criticism when he makes an unpopular decision. Maybe Aranda has all those attributes. I have no clue. But just because he's a great coordinator doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a great head coach. Hot shot coordinators fail as head coaches all the time.
He is a great coordinator, not doubt about it. But being a brilliant coordinator does not necessarily mean a guy will be a great head coach. Being a head coach is about more than X's and O's. A head coach must have skills in leadership, personal relationships, organization, and administration. He has to be able to inspire the team and the other coaches. He has to be able to motivate the team and the other coaches. He needs impersonal skills to relate to boosters, and school administrators, all while keeping his eye on the prize, and maintaining the highest level of integrity. He has to be good at relationships so that he can build solid, lasting relationships with the high school coaches who will funnel players into his program. He has to be decisive in order to make in-game decisions, and have thick enough skin to live with criticism when he makes an unpopular decision. Maybe Aranda has all those attributes. I have no clue. But just because he's a great coordinator doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a great head coach. Hot shot coordinators fail as head coaches all the time.
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Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:05 pm to L.A.
100% agree
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:06 pm to L.A.
I look at his ability to keep his defensive unit focused and performing despite being paired with an impotent, ineffective offense and ultimately led by an unqualified and meddling head coach. That coupled with how he has successfully navigated the PR nightmare that is the LSU football program under Alleva is sufficient to justify giving him a shot as head coach.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:08 pm to L.A.
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But just because he's a great coordinator doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a great head coach. Hot shot coordinators fail as head coaches all the time.
Right, but who else would you realistically take over him? I mean out of coaches that would actually come here. There are only a few that I know of, and none of them are guarantees either. But all would be better than what we have currently.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:09 pm to L.A.
Yep, I mean just look at Kirby Smart. Or Scott Frost. Bottom line is, if you are a great coordinator you are a good coach and have a shot to be a good head guy also. At some point you have to give a guy a shot otherwise there would be nothing but retreads as head coaches. Jimbo got a shot, Pruitt is getting a shot. Why not someone we consider the best defensive coordinator in college football?
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:10 pm to jgoodw318
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100% agree
The guy saying give Ensminger a chance is all of a sudden skeptical about how a coach would do in a certain situation. Give me a break.
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Well let’s see, Saban was mediocre at Mich St., didn’t have a season where they won over 7 games until his last. And then proceeded to lose to UAB, which was homecoming, and finished 8-4 in his first year at LSU. Dabo was a career position coach when he got the job at Clemson and went 9-5 and 6-7 in his first two years at Clemson. Yet they stuck with them. I’m not saying O will be the greatest coach of all time, or the worst coach of all time. I’m just one of the few on this board who are willing to let things play out. Everything will workout the way it is supposed to.
That is you last night. Yet you are skeptical about Aranda being Head Coach
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:10 pm to L.A.
No one really knows head-coaching is such a hit and miss. It’s a lot of luck in the right place at the right time
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:10 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:I'd be okay with giving him a chance, and I'd certainly take him over Special Ed. I'm just pointing out that the skill set for HC is not the same as the skill set for DC or OC
Right, but who else would you realistically take over him?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:11 pm to L.A.
Doesn’t the hciw tag limit the amount of recruiting the assistant can do?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:12 pm to L.A.
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I'm just pointing out that the skill set for HC is not the same as the skill set for DC or OC
You're absolutely right, but there is no question he has legitimate coaching talent and the kind of demeanor and discipline that you don't want to get away. I'd give him a chance.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:13 pm to L.A.
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'd be okay with giving him a chance, and I'd certainly take him over Special Ed. I'm just pointing out that the skill set for HC is not the same as the skill set for DC or OC
You didn’t answer my question. If not Aranda, then who? You’re the one who started the thread.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:14 pm to L.A.
There are no guarantees. And we aren't getting this high profile championship winning coach to come to LSU. So we're stuck with upstart HCs in lower tier P5 programs or top coordinators in P5 conferences. Aranda's a part of the pool.
You pick a good candidate and he either succeeds or he doesn't. Quit thinking that some can't miss coach is just dying to come to LSU. That's not reality.
You pick a good candidate and he either succeeds or he doesn't. Quit thinking that some can't miss coach is just dying to come to LSU. That's not reality.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:15 pm to L.A.
It's my opinion that Orgeron is a placeholder and the offense is staffed with experienced people to help guide Aranda to the next level
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:15 pm to L.A.
Conversely, I've seen nothing that says he doesn't have those abilities. He certainly is more cerebral than most coordinators, and has shown the ability to recruit, lead, and organize a defense. I'm certainly more confident in him than I am in O, who has shown none of the acumen that Aranda has.
I personally think Aranda has massive potential as a coach. If LSU is committed to going with familiar coaches, Aranda is a better choice (and was a better choice) than O from the get go.
I personally think Aranda has massive potential as a coach. If LSU is committed to going with familiar coaches, Aranda is a better choice (and was a better choice) than O from the get go.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:17 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:How can I answer that question without knowing who the choices are? Give me a list to choose from and I'll tell you who I'd choose over him and who I would not choose over him.
You didn’t answer my question. If not Aranda, then who? You’re the one who started the thread.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I question Aranda's decision to stick around the dumpster fire we are calling the LSU football program. That's ironically the only hang up I would have in giving him the reigns.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:19 pm to buffbraz
Maybe things simply aren't as bad as you think they are.
No nevermind you're smarter than him and know more about what's going on.
No nevermind you're smarter than him and know more about what's going on.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:21 pm to GregMaddux
Just assuming everything in the OP is correct.....I know that may not be the case.
ETA Sorry, thought I was posting in the tenthtiger thread.
ETA Sorry, thought I was posting in the tenthtiger thread.
This post was edited on 1/9/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:21 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Who said that? Did you even read my OP before posting?
Quit thinking that some can't miss coach is just dying to come to LSU. That's not reality.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 2:24 pm to L.A.
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How can I answer that question without knowing who the choices are? Give me a list to choose from and I'll tell you who I'd choose over him and who I would not choose over him.
Here’s the problem, you aren’t the first person to address those of us who would be open to Dave Aranda as head coach, yet nobody has said who they would prefer. I can understand being cautious about hiring a coach who hasn’t been a head coach before, but O was hired simply because he had head coaching experience, even though it was an extremely terrible experience. Your skepticism could apply to anyone, not just Aranda, so therefor any answer you could have given me would make you a hypocrite. Hence why you couldn’t answer.
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