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re: A comment from Herman's press conference rubbed me wrong
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
I read where the Players at Houston had a big Party to celebrate Herman leaving. They said he was nothing but a big A Hole and they were happy that he was gone!
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:08 am to Malaysian Tiger
You mean the unverified post on this board? Because I wouldn't exactly call that a reliable sauce.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:10 am to Topwater Trout
quote:We look more stupid by giving up on trying to get a guy who had become our number one target because he wanted to see what another school was offering. Alleva pulling the offer was pathetic.
Every tiger fan should be happy JA didn't enter a bidding war with Texas because we weren't going to win and THEN we look stupid having lost in a bidding war. Also we make Herman more money...now why in the frick do we want him to benefit from fricking us over?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:10 am to LSUZombie
lsu fans are butthurt
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:12 am to OneMoreTime
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We look more stupid by giving up on trying to get a guy
the best part about all of this is had we gone after herman and lost all of you would be saying what an embarrassment JA/LSU is for losing our #1 guy to Texas...LSU isn't elite...the sky is falling blah blah blah...can't win with yall
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:13 am to LSUZombie
I continue to believe we dodged a bullet by not hiring Herman. I think his bright star status will flame out at Texas.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:15 am to Topwater Trout
If it really came down to a bidding war I think everyone knows UT wins all other things being equal. That LHN money is unbeatable.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:15 am to OneMoreTime
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Alleva pulling the offer was pathetic
a deal was in place...I remember when saban would get a verbal from a recruit and if that recruit went to other visits he would say he is no longer a verbal and pull his offer. I guess Saban is an embarrassment also?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:15 am to Topwater Trout
quote:Uhh, no I wouldn't. I knew it was an uphill battle against Texas. That doesn't mean you don't try.
the best part about all of this is had we gone after herman and lost all of you would be saying what an embarrassment JA/LSU is for losing our #1 guy to Texas...LSU isn't elite...the sky is falling blah blah blah...can't win with yall
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:16 am to CorporateTiger
exactly
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:17 am to Topwater Trout
Recruiting and contract negotiations aren't the same at all.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 am to Topwater Trout
quote:If Saban did this, yes its pathetic and slightly embarrassing. I know he doesn't do that nowadays.
a deal was in place...I remember when saban would get a verbal from a recruit and if that recruit went to other visits he would say he is no longer a verbal and pull his offer. I guess Saban is an embarrassment also?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:18 am to CorporateTiger
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Recruiting and contract negotiations aren't the same at all.
How exactly is a verbal commitment different from a recruit and from a coach?
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:24 am to Topwater Trout
Recruiting is about manage a large pool of potential prospects and having a clear vision as to how many scholarships you are giving out.
Negotiating a HC's contract is a much smaller pool of applicants of which you MUST hire one and only one.
The leverage, timelines, and impact of each one are simply different. If a recruit backs on his verbal you may pull the offer because you feel you need a replacement in the class (and don't want to risk the first guy flipping). Maybe you put it back on the table later. You have a set target day to that matters (NSD), so you can always re-offer later.
Coach negotiations typically have no set deadline (each school can set their own timeline). You are hiring for one position. You can't just defer for a year. If you pull your offer and the guy signs somewhere else that is game over.
All in all Saban's tactic may be petty, but the two situations just aren't comparable in the end.
Negotiating a HC's contract is a much smaller pool of applicants of which you MUST hire one and only one.
The leverage, timelines, and impact of each one are simply different. If a recruit backs on his verbal you may pull the offer because you feel you need a replacement in the class (and don't want to risk the first guy flipping). Maybe you put it back on the table later. You have a set target day to that matters (NSD), so you can always re-offer later.
Coach negotiations typically have no set deadline (each school can set their own timeline). You are hiring for one position. You can't just defer for a year. If you pull your offer and the guy signs somewhere else that is game over.
All in all Saban's tactic may be petty, but the two situations just aren't comparable in the end.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:44 am to Topwater Trout
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what is the upside in rewarding Herman for using us to make more money?
1) you add just that much more pressure to perform.
2) you make it that much harder to terminate the contract if the coach doesn't perform (higher buyout)
3) you show all the other coaches that we are willing to make our football (and other athletics) successful, without salary being the driving factor. (perception or reality it doesn't matter)
4) maybe Texas doesn't have the "open checkbook" everyone assumes. No one really does, some just have much higher thresholds. If you can help them get too close to the edge of their comfort level, maybe you don't have to compete with them for the top coordinators you are both going after.
One of the failings of Strong, was Texas' lack of leeway with coordinators. Hell we saw the same thing to an extent with Alleva and Miles when it came to the Steele higher. We went $300k less for Steele. Don't kid yourself that was part money hording (to help save for the inevitable Miles' buyout) and probably part to help insure Miles' downward trend.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:49 am to dbuchanon
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When they asked about an agreement with LSU he responded "Whats important is where we are now." pretty much nevermind the means to the end, what it took to make UT happen.
This. It confirms that there was an agreement but he bolted for UT when it became available. His heart was always with UT.
Glad he got his dream job. Hope he fails miserably, but Charlie Strong set him up for success.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:54 am to CorporateTiger
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All in all Saban's tactic may be petty, but the two situations just aren't comparable in the end.
we shall disagree...I also don't think its petty by saban. He is telling the recruit "we have committed to you by offering you a scholarship and by giving us a verbal you have committed to us" I have no problem with that. People shouldn't give a verbal if they are just going to change their mind...maybe just say let me think about it for a few days
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:57 am to The Rodfather
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you add just that much more pressure to perform.
for him at Texas? who the frick cares
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you make it that much harder to terminate the contract if the coach doesn't perform (higher buyout)
once again...I don't care...that is petty to do that to texas
so lets say we get into a bidding war with Texas and instead of having to pay 5 mil they end up paying him 7 mil a year...then Texas says frick LSU lets go pay whatever it takes to get DA out of spite
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:08 am to dbuchanon
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Idc if he is an a$$hole, most time those are the best HC's
This guys says "HI"
Posted on 11/29/16 at 11:08 am to Topwater Trout
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Every tiger fan should be happy JA didn't enter a bidding war with Texas because we weren't going to win and THEN we look stupid having lost in a bidding war.
unreal. This mentality is why our D line coach from the Miles Era is our head coach.
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