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re: A balanced discussion about Mel Tucker
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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That he seems to be ahead of the game on utilizing the transfer portal is a plus.
This is the only thing the Tucker camp can come up with
“he recruits the portal!” It’s nice to grab a player or two from the portal as needed but at LSU you need to recruit high school studs in La, Tx, Fl etc, coach them and develop them. If a Burrow or Jabril Cox comes along then go get him.
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Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
In what ways is Mel Tucker more qualified than Lane Kiffin?
When you compare both there careers honestly, Mel Tucker isn't close to being in the same league with Lane Kiffin.
When you compare both there careers honestly, Mel Tucker isn't close to being in the same league with Lane Kiffin.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:48 pm to DmitriKaramazov
If this is true, why would ANYONE in his right mind even consider hiring him? Doing so would be a dereliction of duty.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Tucker would require significantly more projection than most of the other candidates. And that’s the bottom line why I don’t want him. To endorse Tucker you’re banking on him learning from his many, many mistakes as a coordinator and HC over the years. Maybe he has! Let someone else find out.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:50 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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A balanced discussion about Mel Tucker
His present salary (similar to Jimbo's) is one of the bigger negatives.
If you have to offer upwards of seven million dollars to hire someone who is just as likely to yield Houston Nutt (rather than Steve Spurrier) results then you take a lot of risk for no good reason. Obviously boosters can get their egos involved in overpaying for their #1 (see A&M with Jumbo or Texas with Hermann) but the results are typically not impressive - arguably coaches who come to campus with the money made turn in lackluster performances more often than not.
I agree other candidates have risks too. I would argue Aranda deserves to be prioritized over either Tucker (because of money) or Napier (because of resume) but agree none should be looked at as favorably as Riley (who is arguably the #1 young head coach in college football).
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:52 pm to DBG
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This is all irrelevant. Nobody cares. But, if you want to include his NFL DC stats but omit his college DC stats, that’s being disingenuous
First, your position that Tucker's NFL DC experience is "irrelevant" is risible drivel. It demonstrates that he has very little tactical acumen. When armed with professional players and pitted against other professional players, he consistently failed. The Bears were ranked top five defense before he arrived and top fourteen after he left, but were historically bad trash when he was there. Not a coincidence. His repeated failure as an NFL DC demonstrates that he does not teach well, does not make good tactical adjustments, does not make good play calls. Over and over he failed. It obviously matters. You certainly wouldn't be saying it was irrelevant if he notched top 10 NFL defenses every year. Of course, then he wouldn't have been purged from the league under a cloud of humiliation.
And I did include his college stats - the stats from his HC stops, when he was indisputably in charge. And in case you missed it, HIS DEFENSIVE RANKINGS HAVE DECLINED EVERY YEAR he has been HC. Every year, including this one.
Terrible hire.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:56 pm to White Tiger
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Agreed on all points. He’s a risky hire though, and I’m not sure that LSU can afford that right now. We need someone with a high floor.
He is a very risky hire that would cost you at least 7 million per year plus a 2.5 million buyout. If you want to take the risk Napier is definitely the hire since you could get him for 3-4 million. Why pay 2 to 3 times the money for the same risk. Tucker should not be in the discussion.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:57 pm to White Tiger
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If this is true, why would ANYONE in his right mind even consider hiring him? Doing so would be a dereliction of duty.
It's all true. You can read more about his history of failures here (another TD post), with sources cited:
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This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:02 pm to Ocardowin
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Tucker would require significantly more projection than most of the other candidates. And that’s the bottom line why I don’t want him. To endorse Tucker you’re banking on him learning from his many, many mistakes as a coordinator and HC over the years. Maybe h Tucker would require significantly more projection than most of the other candidates. And that’s the bottom line why I don’t want him. To endorse Tucker you’re banking on him learning from his many, many mistakes as a coordinator and HC over the years. Maybe he has! Let someone else find out. e has! Let someone else find out.
But common sense be damned, diversity matters!
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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balanced discussion about Mel Tucker
I tried this last week. People thought I was calling for him to be coach. I just kept telling people to chill out and he’s not my favorite
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:06 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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His repeated failure as an NFL DC demonstrates that he does not teach well, does not make good tactical adjustments, does not make good play calls
This is utter bullshite. Tell me, have you done a deep dive in the personnel changes from year to year? What about injuries? What about the draft history of his GM? How much input did he have in making those player selections? Hint- zero.
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You certainly wouldn't be saying it was irrelevant of he notched top 10 NFL defenses every year. Of course, then he wouldn't have been purged from the league under a cloud of humiliation.
Yes I would. It’s a different game. Why would I care? I wouldn’t hire Kliff Kingsbury and he has the best record in the NFL.
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And I did include his college stats - the stats from his HC stops, when he was indisputably in charge.
You omit his college DC numbers. My point is you give him the entire blame for bad NFL defenses as a coordinator but forget to mention his successful college defenses as a coordinator.
And you gloss over his obvious recruiting and roster building prowess, which in case you haven’t noticed, is how CFP titles are won.
I don’t argue that Tucker requires a lot of projection. And he’s not my top choice, but there positive factors for him as well.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Mel Tucker has all the assistant experience in the world. He has 2 years head coaching experience. That’s too thin of a record to gamble on for this job.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Kinda hard to hire a coach that isn’t interested in coming regardless of what he has done or is doing now.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:22 pm to da prophet
Michigan State is 113 in total defense against a schedule that includes 1 ranked team and 8 unranked teams. Tucker is a defensive guru. Damn Strong!
P S - LSU is 79.
P S - LSU is 79.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
If
Riley
Rhule
Aranda
Jimbo
Napier
All say no? Then I guess he should get an interview.
Riley
Rhule
Aranda
Jimbo
Napier
All say no? Then I guess he should get an interview.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:27 pm to DBG
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And you gloss over his obvious recruiting and roster building prowess, which in case you haven’t noticed, is how CFP titles are won.
Would his "obvious" recruiting prowess include his 46th ranked class at MSU last year, which was lower than MSU's two prior classes (40th and 33rd)? Facts are a pesky thing. In any event, even if he is a good recruiter, we just had a recruiter as a coach, and it isn't enough to yield sustained success. You need someone who can recruit AND coach at a high level. Tucker ain't it. Not even close.
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This is utter bullshite. Tell me, have you done a deep dive in the personnel changes from year to year? What about injuries? What about the draft history of his GM? How much input did he have in making those player selections? Hint- zero.
As a matter of fact, yes. In particular, I'm extraordinarily familiar with the Bears defensive roster and injury history from 2012-2015. But rather than belabor the history, the statistics demonstrate the point amply. Before Tucker arrived, Bears had a top five defense under Lovie Smith. After Tucker was booted, they had a top fifteen defense under Fangio. Do you think the roster mysteriously deteriorated for those two years, only to conveniently rebound when Tucker was fired? No. He's just not a good coach. The end.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:34 pm to Genestealer55
1 winning season in his entire career. Has 1 exactly 1 big game win in his career in comparison to his Michigan win Curley Hallman had beaten Auburn Alabama an Florida St at Southern Miss.
15-13 career record.
He is supposed to be a top notch defensive coach yet Mich St is 10th out of 14 in scoring defense and 14 out of 14 in total defense in the Big 10.
What is the real reason he is a candidate it certainly not due to his qualifications and achievements!!!
15-13 career record.
He is supposed to be a top notch defensive coach yet Mich St is 10th out of 14 in scoring defense and 14 out of 14 in total defense in the Big 10.
What is the real reason he is a candidate it certainly not due to his qualifications and achievements!!!
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:37 pm to DBG
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This is utter bullshite. Tell me, have you done a deep dive in the personnel changes from year to year? What about injuries? What about the draft history of his GM? How much input did he have in making those player selections? Hint- zero.
The excuses have already begun. Give me a coach who doesn't need excuses to justify his failures.
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Yes I would. It’s a different game. Why would I care? I wouldn’t hire Kliff Kingsbury and he has the best record in the NFL.
Kliff would be incredible at LSU. I wanted him as OC several years ago. Kliff has shown a good offensive mind can work in the NFL and college. His all pro QB just missed this game and they were huge underdogs and beat the hell out of the Niners. He would be like Riley at LSU, IMO. They would have incredible offenses and the defensive talent to win with both.
Tucker is a not a good defensive coach, IMO. And he is a questionable HC at this point.
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You omit his college DC numbers. My point is you give him the entire blame for bad NFL defenses as a coordinator but forget to mention his successful college defenses as a coordinator.
At UGA? I fully believe that is Kirby's defense. Does it even matter who their DC is? Just curious can you actually name UGA's DC right now?
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And you gloss over his obvious recruiting and roster building prowess, which in case you haven’t noticed, is how CFP titles are won.
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Roster building prowess? He's shown this already? Because of working the portal on year at Michigan St? quote:
I don’t argue that Tucker requires a lot of projection. And he’s not my top choice, but there positive factors for him as well.
If you dig hard enough you can find positives about any candidate.
I would take Tucker over Bill O'Brien though.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:41 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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Would his "obvious" recruiting prowess include his 46th ranked class at MSU last year, which was lower than MSU's two prior classes (40th and 33rd)?
Yes. The fact that he was hired in February of 2020 and had exactly zero in person visits due to Covid, the fact that it was top 75 is a miracle. The bulk of UGA’s defense was recruited by him. Both the blue chippers and 3 stars like Jordan Davis who might be the best player in America.
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As a matter of fact, yes. In particular, I'm extraordinarily familiar with the Bears defensive roster and injury history from 2012-2015.
Share. It’s very relevant.
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Do you think the roster mysteriously deteriorated for those two years, only to conveniently rebound when Tucker was fired?
NFL rosters can change drastically and Fangio is an all time great NFL defensive coach that added Khalil Mack. So, yea, maybe. Hopefully your “extraordinarily familiar” insight can shed some light. Thanks in advance.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 6:41 pm to bopper50
Tucker had a .500 record before he picked up some players from the portal . I watched the Iowa game . The entire second half was dominated by 5-3 Iowa .
Michigan State had unnecessary roughness penalties , targeting penalties , penalties , penalties . Iowa scored on a touchdown from midfield on a trick play from a high school youtube video . So much for the defensive guru Mel and teaching assignment football ! Think ole Mel is ready for the SEC ? Think again !! The Mel hire would be an expensive dumpster fire !
Michigan State had unnecessary roughness penalties , targeting penalties , penalties , penalties . Iowa scored on a touchdown from midfield on a trick play from a high school youtube video . So much for the defensive guru Mel and teaching assignment football ! Think ole Mel is ready for the SEC ? Think again !! The Mel hire would be an expensive dumpster fire !
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