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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Elaborate on that...



I'll try to find it on reddit because i am too lazy to find all the quotes, the jist is that Doran/Oberyn are complement too Sansa/Arya

Doran:
untimely loss of siblings
Unsuccessful royal marriages (E+R= Rape and murder)
calculated politically


Oberyn:
Trained in the free cites
Bent on revenge
traveled westeros with his sister seeking marriage


Sansa:
Unsuccessful royal marriage
Death of seemingly all siblings (of course that isn't true but might as well be to her)
Learning the game from the most collected player

Arya:
training in free cities
all she wants is revenge
traveled westeros with sister in the name of a political marriage



Thats all off the top of my head but there is more too it. I could see Arya meeting a similar fate as the red viper


Posted by PBeard
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:47 pm to
How Badass Is little miss Wylla Manderly? I'm doing a re-read right now and had to stop to post this out of excitement. Her-and Davos before her-make for such an inspiring speech. There is no further point to this post than for me to say that I will rage harder than after LSH if this scene doesn't make it to the show.
Davos:
Davos felt a stab of despair. His Grace should have sent another man, a lord or knight or maester, someone who could speak for him without tripping on his own tongue. “Death,” he heard himself say, “there will be death, aye. Your lordship lost a son at the Red Wedding. I lost four upon the Blackwater. And why? Because the Lannisters stole the throne. Go to King’s Landing and look on Tommen with your own eyes, if you doubt me. A blind man could see it. What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!"
Little Miss Badass:
"Yes,” piped a girl’s voice, thin and high. It belonged to the half-grown child with the blond eyebrows and the long green braid. “They killed Lord Eddard and Lady Catelyn and King Robb,” she said. “He was our king! He was brave and good, and the Freys murdered him. If Lord Stannis will avenge him, we should join Lord Stannis."
"I know about the promise,” insisted the girl. “Maester Theomore, tell them! A thousand years before the Conquest, a promise was made, and oaths were sworn in the Wolf’s Den before the old gods and the new. When we were sore beset and friendless, hounded from our homes and in peril of our lives, the wolves took us in and nourished us and protected us against our enemies. The city is built upon the land they gave us. In return we swore that we should always be their men. Stark men!"
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I could see Arya meeting a similar fate as the red viper



Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:54 pm to
Damn, I never thought about that comparison before. Just when you think you've Crackpotted the whole series, a new theory pops up.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

I'll try to find it on reddit because i am too lazy to find all the quotes, the jist is that Doran/Oberyn are complement too Sansa/Arya


Never really thought about it, but it's a shame Arya and Oberyn never met. Think they would get along swimmingly.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:12 pm to
For sure. He'd probably tell her she reminds him of his daughters.
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15421 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:12 pm to
Was Wylla in on the ruse or was she really on the stannis train?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40336 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

Never really thought about it, but it's a shame Arya and Oberyn never met. Think they would get along swimmingly.




"wait you hate the lannisters? me too"

Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Never really thought about it, but it's a shame Arya and Oberyn never met. Think they would get along swimmingly.



"wait you hate the lannisters? me too"


Then they go hand in hand, skipping down the lane to the tune of:

"People let me tell you 'bout my best friend, a warm-hearted person who'll love ya 'till the end..."
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40336 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:44 pm to
"Want some wine?" RV

"sure" Arya"

"Ayra, you are only 14 you cannot drink" Sansa

"dont be such a pussy, sansa" Arya

Posted by ffishstik
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4186 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

No idea how you of all people missed it I thought that was an accepted theory


No doubt that it was an accepted theory, it was so obvious. That's why I felt like such an idiot for having missed it. I'm finding a lot of shite like that in AFFC and ADWD. Partly because I have the benefit of hindsight, partly because I'm rereading it with a crackpot mindset that I didn't have when these books first came out.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/3/14 at 10:08 pm to
Alleras=Sarella is definitely a good one. But I still can't figure out why Oberyn would want one of his daughters working with Marwyn? I know that Oberyn studied poisons but what is the purpose of her being with Marwyn who taught dark arts/magic? I kind of drifted off after getting through Dornish Conspiracy video #3.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 10:09 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41908 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 8:57 pm to
so watching The Other Woman right now. apparently Jamie Lannister doesn't shite gold either.
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
28529 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

I know that Oberyn studied poisons but what is the purpose of her being with Marwyn who taught dark arts/magic?




I haven't watched this video yet but there was the comment Qyburn made to Cersei about the venom Oberyn used being "thickened" by a spell possibly, to prolong the Mountain's suffering. So there's at least a hint that RV dabbled in magic himself.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 7/4/14 at 10:48 pm to
I saw that movie in theaters and it immediately made me think of Tywin on the toilet. Like father, like son
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 1:19 am to
He definitely did and probably studied under Marwyn as well. Question is what is the purpose of having Sarella pretend to be a boy to learn from him as well. Marwyn will be a key figure.

So, another thought, what if Marwyn becomes Dany's maester? She could possibly have at her disposal:

The greatest maester in Westeros, if not the world
The Iron Fleet
An army of unsullied
A huge khalasar
Tyrion's mind
Ser Barristan the Bold
At least one dragon that she can now ride and at least somewhat control
A few sellsword companies


Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43751 posts
Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:12 pm to
She'll still screw it up somehow.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

Question is what is the purpose of having Sarella pretend to be a boy to learn from him as well. Marwyn will be a key figure.


Not sure why everyone thinks Oberyn would have needed to send her there. As we know from the Sand Snakes discussions in AFFC Oberyn was all about having his daughters being strong and being their own women. Given that Oberyn trained as a Maester for a while himself it would be natural for at least one of his daughters would decide they would like to do the same, and she would have to pretend to be a boy to do so.

And once there Oberyn's daughter is naturally going to attach herself to the brightest Maester, she is Oberyn's daughter after all.

quote:

So, another thought, what if Marwyn becomes Dany's maester? She could possibly have at her disposal:


Yeah, but she still has to get them all to Westeros. The best Captain in Westeros in Vic lost a ton of his ships crossing from Westeros to Essos, and Aegon's crew lost a bunch of ships going from Essos to Westoros. Even with the Iron Fleet Dany is going to likely have a ton of attrition going from Essos to Westeros.
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 5:11 pm to
Victarion will likely capture a bunch of the ships that are surrounding Mereen
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/5/14 at 9:55 pm to
In a random summer vacay nerd moment, bet a dog at the greyhound track named King's Landing to win. And it won.
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