re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

I had a cookoff with Davos and Stannis won the throne.

So, what's the movie?

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We should get them to go to Finn's for an England World Cup match..

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For all of our riverrat crackpots, they will be filming in LaPlace next week.

Just found my old theory on the Last Hero being The Night's King and wanted some place to put it all together.

We are told that Night's King was the 13th LC of the NW. We are also told that the Last Hero set out with 12 companions, thus making him the 13th member of his party. I have a very hard time believing that this is a coincidence.

If the Last Hero and Night's King are the same people, it implies that the 13 companions that set out to find the COTF were the original Night's Watch.

Here's the excerpt of the Last Hero in one of Old Nan's stories she told Bran


"The Others," Old Nan agreed. "Thousands and thousands of years ago, a winter fell that was cold and hard and endless beyond all memory of man. There came a night that lasted a generation, and kings shivered and died in their castles even as the swineherds in their hovels. Women smothered their children rather than see them starve, and cried, and felt their tears freeze on their cheeks." Her voice and her needles fell silent, and she glanced up at Bran with pale, filmy eyes and asked, "So, child. This is the sort of story you like?"

"Well," Bran said reluctantly, "yes, only . . . "

Old Nan nodded. "In that darkness, the Others came for the first time," she said as her needles went click click click. "They were cold things, dead things, that hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every creature with hot blood in its veins. They swept over holdfasts and cities and kingdoms, felled heroes and armies by the score, riding their pale dead horses and leading hosts of the slain. All the swords of men could not stay their advance, and even maidens and suckling babes found no pity in them. They hunted the maids through frozen forests, and fed their dead servants on the flesh of human children."

Her voice had dropped very low, almost to a whisper, and Bran found himself leaning forward to listen.

"Now these were the days before the Andals came, and long before the women fled across the narrow sea from the cities of the Rhoyne, and the hundred kingdoms of those times were the kingdoms of the First Men, who had taken these lands from the children of the forest. Yet here and there in the fastness of the woods the children still lived in their wooden cities and hollow hills, and the faces in the trees kept watch. So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched, until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him, and came silent on his trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds"

So we are lead to believe he was saved by the COTF. But what if he wasn't? Then what happened? How did he survive? Has anyone else ever been able to ward off the Others or find a way to co-exist with them? Craster, that incestuous bastard found a way, as we know, he sacrifices his sons to the Others.

I theorize that the Last Hero did the same thing. He pleaded for his life promising the Others whatever they wanted which in this case, was his sons. And so the Others marked the LH as they marked Craster.

The Last Hero then went back to the kingdoms of men raising up more men for the Night's Watch claiming that he had the ability to resist the Others. He fathered children and stealthily sacrificed them to the Others which brings him squarely in line with the tale of Night's King.

So the Last Hero goes on publicly fighting the Others while secretly sacrificing to them. He builds the Nightfort where he can walk the line between the Others and human kind.

Here's the story of the Night's King:

He brought her back to the Nightfort and proclaimed her a queen and himself her king, and with strange sorceries he bound his Sworn Brothers to his will. For thirteen years they had ruled, Night's King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage. After his fall, when it was found he had been sacrificing to the Others, all records of Night's King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden.

And note that the "Last Hero" is never given a name. Much like the Night's Kings named is forbidden. Nan never says he is Brandon Stark, but she does say that the Night's King was perhaps a Brandon Stark.

As for the rest of the Night's King tale, it is not as evil as it seems. The Last Hero did meet a female Other and they fell in love and had a son for we know the Knight's King gave his Other-bride his "seed and soul." Perhaps they named their son, Brandon after his father and "Stark" after the winter he was born into or his mother's nature. The Last Hero and his Other bride loved their son and refused to sacrifice him. Or perhaps the Others only wanted pure human children, not half-human/half Other. So the Last Hero spirited him away from the Night Fort to find a place to keep him safe.

It would be here that the Last Hero finds the hot springs that Winterfell is built upon. Presumably the Others would not do well with hot water, so it was a perfect place to build a castle to keep his son safe. The Last Hero calls upon another great King from the far north, Joramun "who blew the horn of winter and woke giants from the earth." The giants came to help the Last Hero and his son Brandon the Builder construct a mighty castle over the springs so that the work could be done quickly. Fittingly they named the castle Winterfell because of the hopes that Winter will fall to the newly established House Stark.

The Last Hero then tells his son Brandon the truth about who he is and the deal the Last Hero made with the Others. Brandon Stark being half human, half Other had some of their magical powers. The Others are able to animate the flesh of their wights and control them. This is where the Stark warging trait comes from. Since the Stark bloodline has part of the Other's blood in it, they have the ability to control the bodies of others.

Before returning to the Night Fort, the Last Hero told his son, there must always be a Stark in Winterfell for he understood that his bloodline would always have the power to fight off the Others.

And so the Last Hero returned to his bride at the Night Fort. The Others would have been livid with the Last Hero for his betrayal, killed him and re-animated his dead flesh. This is where he became the corrupt Night's King of legend and the Others, through the Night's King caused the Watch to turn on the realms of men.

Bran the Builder understood what was happening. So he called other kings, like Joramun for help. Together they destroyed the Night's King and with the help of Joramum's giants and his own ice magic, Brandon the Builder he completed the Wall. And Brandon the Builder was not considered a kin-slayer like Bael the Bard's son because his father was already dead.

With the completion of the Wall and the destruction of Night's King, the Watch was free to fight for the humans again. For those that believe the NW=Lightbringer, it could be that Brandon the Builder "weilded" the Night's Watch in this battle. Or perhaps he named the 14th LC of the NW, a man named Azor Ahai. But in any case, human kind was finally able to beat back the Others and end the Long Night that lasted a generation.

As for the timeline that has been questioned before; the Last Hero, AA and the Nights King all lived during the Age of Heroes. The Long Night occurred during the Age of Heroes

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Finkle is Einhorn

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Excellent post. Best in a very long time.

Seeing as how this thread is almost 800 pages long I'm sure this has been posted before but for those who haven't seen it here is a pretty sweet trivia game about Game of Thrones.

Sporcle: Game of Thrones.

60/62

Missed 2 of Aegon's dragons. Got Balerion, but missed the other two. Not bad.