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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:59 pm to thatguy1892
Posted on 2/19/14 at 12:59 pm to thatguy1892
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Well it was said that Lyanna was a natural on a horse because of her wolfs blood. When Jon is in aw of his own skill on the horse it's put in the italicized thought form. I noticed in George's writing that he italicizes the thought of characters not just to distinguish it from dialog, but to subtly emphasize importance like we normally do when we read something italicized. So I think that this is a small important nod to the readers that says: hey, do you see the parallel?
I've noticed that when people discuss these theories that they feel like George has made it "too easy" to figure these plot points out. So in turn, with his grey shaded world and things always seeming to be a complex mystery, that he wouldn't make it so easy to figure his grand scheme. But if you'll look at the chapters with green seers you'll notice he telegraphs what is going to happen next. He did it with Jojen and he did it with Heart Hill. Someone asked in this thread or another if George is pissed because big reveal is ruined and I said I doubt because good writers want intelligent people to read their stories. And if the R+L=K is his big reveal then I think he's sitting back thinking "thank god dumbasses don't read my books because I've given them a fun mystery for them to try and solve and they done a great job of putting the pieces together to get their conclusion. Now, wait till they see who ends up on the Iron Throne."
I certainly hope George wouldn't be mad at people discussing theories on here, Westeros.org, Reddit, etc. All the evidence is present in the books, and the show to some extent. And if he is pissed, well that's his damn problem for not writing the books faster.
I'd like to think/I want Jon to be king at the end of the series, but I'm not sure if that's too "obvious"/have my doubts. The Hodors think Dany is going to be Queen but I don't see that happening; that's even more obvious than Jon sitting the throne (which from a Hodor perspective, would be very surprising to see Jon on the throne, but to us, it's expected). I started my 'rewatch of all 3 seasons' project about 2.5 weeks ago--I just watched S2E10 2 days ago and S3 E1 last night (and I'll watch S3E2 & S3E3 tonight)...the HotU scene differs greatly from the books to the show, but the show version shows the Red Keep in ruin (probably from Cersei burning it down with wildfire), and the throne room is covered in snow. That scene convinced me thet winter is going to extend well below the Neck and probably cover all of Westeros, including Dorne and the Reach. Dany walks to the throne, but doesn't touch it. David and Dan know the endgame--she's going to get *this* close to becoming Queen, but something is going to happen that prevents her. I tend to think she's going to die during the final battle against the Others.
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But if you'll look at the chapters with green seers you'll notice he telegraphs what is going to happen next. He did it with Jojen and he did it with Heart Hill.
Hmm I need to start my reread of the series sooner than later. That's a great observation
. Regarding Jojen, does it have to do with him knowing when he dies and Bran eating the Jojen paste? And Ghost of High Heart, when she's talking to Arya about Summerhall and the prophecies?
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 1:56 pm to ladytiger118
The Jojen parts in Clash are the ones about the sea coming to Winterfell and Bran and Rickons faces being removed with "Reek" wearing them. That's what I was referring to as far as telegraphing what he says. There's only three Bran chapters in the fist half of Storm and there's not much talk about Jojen's dreams in those. I haven't gotten to the forth Bran chapter yet so I can't really say.
The Heart Hill chapters, I mean, you got go back and read those and you'll see that they basically tell you exactly how things go down. From Balon's death to Catelyn's resurrection in the first visit. Then in the second visit, grey wind dying and the purple wedding. Also Hoat's demise.
The Heart Hill chapters, I mean, you got go back and read those and you'll see that they basically tell you exactly how things go down. From Balon's death to Catelyn's resurrection in the first visit. Then in the second visit, grey wind dying and the purple wedding. Also Hoat's demise.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:11 pm to thatguy1892
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The Heart Hill chapters, I mean, you got go back and read those and you'll see that they basically tell you exactly how things go down. From Balon's death to Catelyn's resurrection in the first visit. Then in the second visit, grey wind dying and the purple wedding. Also Hoat's demise.
The main prophecy I'm interested in from the High Heart that may have not happened yet is the "maiden slaying the savage giant in the snow." Some fans think that already happened when Sweetrobin knocked down her snowcastle at the end of ASoS, but I think it points to a bigger event later on down the road...perhaps Sansa slaying Littlefinger since his original family sigil is the Titan (giant) of Braavos.
I'm also curious about the dream Bran had in AGoT about Robert Strong:
Bran's greendream about Robert Strong
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:49 pm to thatguy1892
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The Heart Hill chapters, I mean, you got go back and read those and you'll see that they basically tell you exactly how things go down. From Balon's death to Catelyn's resurrection in the first visit. Then in the second visit, grey wind dying and the purple wedding. Also Hoat's demise.
A few thoughts
-If anyone was ever an agent of BR (Blood Raven/Bryden Rivers), the red eyed white haired dwarf is one of them. I know it's a long shot, but I want her to come back as a guide to Sam in the Citadel. Additionally I would like to note that the woman shares similar features to BR, red eyes, white hair, and very old, perhaps the old woman is living beneath a tree of her own, maybe the one at Raventree Hall?
-The point she makes about Summerhall is very interesting. Some people have theorized that BR was warging Aegon V during that time or at the very least was involved with Aemon who was surely corresponding with his beloved brother. We know that BR had experience with dragon eggs, via the Dunk and Egg stories, and that given his reputation as some sort of wizard, it would be no stretch to presume that he had experimented with them.
-Getting on to the point about Arya, I feel it's necessary to first examine the prophecy of Balon's death to be a foreshadowing of Arya's path. Further on that note, Arya had already played the part of a servant to escape Harrenhall, and killed a guard to do it. When the old woman mentions gorging on grief and Arya's Dark Heart. To me this reflects Arya's loss of innocence and her path towards becoming a FM. However, it also indicates that, if the griefs of Summerhall and Arya Stark are comparable, she herself might be involved in such a tragedy. This may have been the Red Wedding, but I believe it to be something else, something darker, perhaps related to the work that the FM in the Citadel is doing.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:34 pm to ladytiger118
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I'm also curious about the dream Bran had in AGoT about Robert Strong:
Bran's greendream about Robert Strong
Interesting. It's amazing the things I missed on the first read. Time to start reading them again.
"He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with a terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over both of them loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood."
From reading the thread in the link provided, it seems people are split on who "was armored like the sun" and who the "giant in armor made of stone" are.
I guess it could be Oberyn and Robert Strong, but if it referring to them, then I would think that the dream would mean that Robert Strong kills The Hound as well. Since he "loomed" over both of them.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:57 pm to Analyze That
The dwarf/green seer could be an agent but she also says she hasn't been kissed in thousands of years. But she could be his eyes in the south. High Heart is where a circle of heart trees were cut down.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 7:39 pm to thatguy1892
I have always taken the shadow looming over them as a presence that will affect their lives dramatically, but not necessarily kill them. The Hound does shadow Sansa's thoughts, and the the MTN shadows The Hound's thoughts.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:00 pm to SoGaFan
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I have always taken the shadow looming over them as a presence that will affect their lives dramatically, but not necessarily kill them. The Hound does shadow Sansa's thoughts, and the the MTN shadows The Hound's thoughts.
That's what I assumed as well.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:51 pm to SoGaFan
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I have always taken the shadow looming over them as a presence that will affect their lives dramatically, but not necessarily kill them. The Hound does shadow Sansa's thoughts, and the the MTN shadows The Hound's thoughts.
Sansa thinks about the Hound a lottttt in ASoS and AFFC; practically every chapter, and a lot of it is latent sexual feelings IMO. I don't think she views him in a negative light at all and I actually think she's slowly starting to process/realize that she's in love with him.
I always thought the vision was referring to Sandor, Jaime, and Robert Strong. I don't know how Jaime will get involved but perhaps both he and Sandor will defeat Robert Strong, once and for all? I could see the Faith Militant selecting Lancel as their trial by combat champion, and in typical LancelgonnaLancel fashion, will get his arse handed to him and killed by Robert Strong. Assuming Sandor=Gravedigger, I still think he'd come out of retirement to kill his brother/the evil that is Robert Strong. It's also possible that RS will be unhelmed and revealed as a monster created by Qyburn/sorcery and the trial will be invalidated. Either way, I think Cersei's going to be completely stripped of power in TWoW if we are to believe when GRRM stated that multiple butts will sit on the IT before the series' end. Perhaps Cersei will try fleeing to Casterly Rock, but it's a big question mark until TWoW is actually released.
I honestly don't see Cersei surviving past TWoW. Her storyline is near its end/conclusion, and even if Jaime is her Valonqar, I think he'll survive TWoW and die in ADoS.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:55 pm to ladytiger118
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a lot of it is latent sexual feelings IMO. I
She loves him, and he loves her.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:55 pm to ladytiger118
Hound would split sansa in half 
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:00 pm to Cosmo
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Hound would split sansa in half
Definitely.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:18 pm to ladytiger118
Less than 26 hours CST and Sansa is legal
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:25 pm to John McClane
She's been legal for awhile.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:30 pm to John McClane
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Less than 26 hours CST and Sansa is legal
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:32 pm to ladytiger118
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Also, am I weird in thinking that Sophie Turner is the GOAT of the GoT women??
No, she's absolutely incredible. Rare beauty
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:44 pm to John McClane
Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:47 pm to Korin
Glad to see some Sophie fans, and I'm a straight woman 
. SMH at the OTers who ranked her last on that thread yesterday.
. SMH at the OTers who ranked her last on that thread yesterday.Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:57 pm to ladytiger118
Which thread?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:20 pm to Korin
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