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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:50 pm to jrodLSUke
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:50 pm to jrodLSUke
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Good. :/
Hopefully that means more time for Winds.
If you read the article, unfortunately it seems that he's almost moved on from WoW completely.
He stated, and this is the first time I can recall hm saying this, that he is actually working on more Dunk and Egg and Fire and Blood over WoW. He mentioned that if he could get those out of the way that maybe it would make it easier to finish WoW. That is an even worse sign than any update he's given in ages.
He also mentioned that even the stuff he wrote during covid, which is when he supposedly made the most progress, he's actually gone back and is not using it because he didn't like it. SO he is likely even less far along that we previously thought.
Then on top of all that he compared himself to Frank Herbert who got tired of writing Dune at the end of his career and actually got to where he disliked the series.
Looking at everything he said in that interview, this to me is the first time where he's almost all but said that he is done with it. Gave no indication that he is even writing it anymore and even has other stuff in front of it now. It has always been "I'm chipping away at it and I'm not writing anything else until I'm done with WoW", now it's completely opposite.
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 7:56 am to iwyLSUiwy
that interview confirms my suspicion, and problem that of many others, that the HBO series ultimately screwed the fans of the books. Martin should have been forced/encouraged to finish the saga first before HBO starting the tv series and giving him a cent. He's letting the feelings from watching characters on the screen affect his ability to finish the story he wanted to write. And now, he's being encouraged to write more content for the new shows that are coming out, which are ultimately much easier for him to complete.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 10:45 am to VinegarStrokes
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that interview confirms my suspicion, and problem that of many others, that the HBO series ultimately screwed the fans of the books. Martin should have been forced/encouraged to finish the saga first before HBO starting the tv series and giving him a cent. He's letting the feelings from watching characters on the screen affect his ability to finish the story he wanted to write. And now, he's being encouraged to write more content for the new shows that are coming out, which are ultimately much easier for him to complete.
I don't see how you can blame HBO here. It's worth noting that when they signed the deal with him he was telling them he was just finishing up Dance (it dropped after the 1st season in 2011). At that point the longest he had gone between books was 5 years and he was telling everyone (publishers included) that he had WoW largely written. There were 8 years from beginning to end of the series.
Nobody anticipated he was going to hit the wall that hard.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:33 am to BluegrassBelle
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don't see how you can blame HBO here. It's worth noting that when they signed the deal with him he was telling them he was just finishing up Dance (it dropped after the 1st season in 2011). At that point the longest he had gone between books was 5 years and he was telling everyone (publishers included) that he had WoW largely written. There were 8 years from beginning to end of the series. Nobody anticipated he was going to hit the wall that hard.
Easy…if HBO doesn’t prematurely start production on an incomplete series, the fat frick doesn’t get lazy and distracted from his current project. Their inability to wait led to a shite show of a final 2-3 seasons and then they doubled down by adding more productions to the fat frick’s plate. They made and are making a lot of money for themselves and for the fat frick but the readers have suffered. This is indisputable
Posted on 2/3/26 at 11:37 am to VinegarStrokes
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Easy…if HBO doesn’t prematurely start production on an incomplete series, the fat frick doesn’t get lazy and distracted from his current project. Their inability to wait led to a shite show of a final 2-3 seasons and then they doubled down by adding more productions to the fat frick’s plate. They made and are making a lot of money for themselves and for the fat frick but the readers have suffered. This is indisputable
I don't put that on HBO. I put that on GRRM. They gave him sufficient time to finish the series, considering where he was at when they signed the deal. I also imagine they weren't the only network to offer a deal, so they were in a rock and a hard space if they wanted to acquire the property.
He's been saying he's close to finishing WoW for a decade. He was telling people not long after that he was going to write the other Dunk and Egg novella (that he's allegedly working on now), all pre-COVID.
This is solely on GRRM.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:53 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Easy…if HBO doesn’t prematurely start production on an incomplete series, the fat frick doesn’t get lazy and distracted from his current project. Their inability to wait led to a shite show of a final 2-3 seasons and then they doubled down by adding more productions to the fat frick’s plate
By this logic, if HBO waiting to start production on Game of Thrones, we'd still be waiting on them to start production on Game of Thrones.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:57 am to iwyLSUiwy
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By this logic, if HBO waiting to start production on Game of Thrones, we'd still be waiting on them to start production on Game of Thrones.
no, not by that logic at all. you didn't read the post. i might be 100% wrong...who cares? But that's not the point that I made.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:12 am to VinegarStrokes
I guess I did miss your point. Was it not that if HBO didn't start production on an incomplete series that he would have finished the books?
There's no indication that he would have finished even if he had jack shite going on in his life. Much less finish TWO books. There have been plenty of times where nothing was in his way, he was literally locked in a cabin in the middle of nowhere during covid with ideal writing conditions and it seems that he did virtually nothing.
He wrote ADWD while the series was originally being signed off on, in production, helping show runners, and while the first season was being filmed. HBO saw him writing ADWD and helping with the show, and given his previous release times in between books they had a good bit of confidence that he would be done by the time they were done. And obviously he lied to them as well saying he'd finish when in reality he just got lazy.
There's no indication that he would have finished even if he had jack shite going on in his life. Much less finish TWO books. There have been plenty of times where nothing was in his way, he was literally locked in a cabin in the middle of nowhere during covid with ideal writing conditions and it seems that he did virtually nothing.
He wrote ADWD while the series was originally being signed off on, in production, helping show runners, and while the first season was being filmed. HBO saw him writing ADWD and helping with the show, and given his previous release times in between books they had a good bit of confidence that he would be done by the time they were done. And obviously he lied to them as well saying he'd finish when in reality he just got lazy.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 11:46 am to iwyLSUiwy
I’ve done a 180 on HBO and Benioff and Weiss over the years. I put almost no blame on them. Sure, there are particular instances where they fricked up, but the finishing the series without the source material- not their fault at all.
They tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shite and the biggest issue was the shorter last 2 seasons, not the story. Just my opinion.
They tried to make chicken salad out of chicken shite and the biggest issue was the shorter last 2 seasons, not the story. Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 11:43 am to DBG
The actor playing Egg let a major spoiler slip in a recent interview. Apparently GRRM told them Dunk survives the events of Summerhall. Now the internet believes Dunk = Coldhands
Posted on 2/26/26 at 5:33 pm to DBG
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I’ve done a 180 on HBO and Benioff and Weiss over the years. I put almost no blame on them.
They lost me with the Stannis heel turn. It was much worse than Dany's. I didn't even like book Stannis but that was nowhere close to in character. He did not want to be King that badly, he just couldn't accept having it taken from him. And I've read that it came directly from Fat McFatteryfrick's outline but I find that hard to believe. He's loathsome but he knows the characters better than that.
Posted on 2/27/26 at 10:17 am to shinerfan
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They lost me with the Stannis heel turn. It was much worse than Dany's. I didn't even like book Stannis but that was nowhere close to in character. He did not want to be King that badly, he just couldn't accept having it taken from him. And I've read that it came directly from Fat McFatteryfrick's outline but I find that hard to believe. He's loathsome but he knows the characters better than that.
Burning Shireen was pretty ridiculous. His entire army would have left him immediately. Nothing quite like rallying the troops with the burning of a child princess.
Shireen and Melisandre are still at Castle Black in the book, I can see Melisandre burning her without Stannis knowing though.
Posted on 2/27/26 at 11:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Burning Shireen was pretty ridiculous. His entire army would have left him immediately. Nothing quite like rallying the troops with the burning of a child princess.
I think he does it solely because it’s a retelling of King Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter so the Greeks could sail to Troy.
Stannis is about to win the battle against the Bolton’s after the Bolton army falls through the ice. I assume he sends for his family after that and has to sacrifice her before the next battle that he eventually loses.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 1:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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, I can see Melisandre burning her without Stannis knowing though.
I can see her mother going aling with it but not Stannis.
Posted on 5/1/26 at 9:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Then again, maybe he will release it.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 6:48 am to shinerfan
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He's loathsome but he knows the characters better than that.
No. He KNEW the characters better than that.
You are ascribing characterizations from 20 years ago. He has since reinvented them. Probably multiple times.
Dance was jarring for me at times because of some of the character shifts even then.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 12:01 pm to blueboy
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Then again, maybe he will release it.
"Now whether any of this is legitimate is up for debate." 30 seconds in it tells me it's not legit. The guy said at times it read like this wasn't even the persons first language so he had to rewrite all of it (AI I'm sure). I would assume even GRRM's rough drafts read like someone who knows the English language.
GRRM told us this year that he is basically in the same spot he was before Covid. If he had a good update/was basically finished with it he couldn't get the news out tot he public fast enough.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 1:53 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I'm not sure about that. The silence before announcement angle makes sense. He has been silent, which is odd for him.
Time will tell. I don't think AI could come up with some of that.
Time will tell. I don't think AI could come up with some of that.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 10:10 am to iwyLSUiwy
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GRRM told us this year that he is basically in the same spot he was before Covid.
The book has been “six months from being finished” for damn near a decade
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:49 pm to Volvagia
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