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Haven't watched the replay of the Georgia game but I can't recall us rushing more than 4 at any time. I might have missed a couple of plays but I do know that Murray seemingly had all day to throw and a quarterback of his caliber will kill you unless you make him feel the pressure. Can't understand why Chavis almost abhors the blitz. Remember in 2011 against West Virginia, Geno Smith had 65 pass attempts and was not sacked ONCE.. I do think we did get a tipped ball INT, but 65 attempts without a sack speaks volumes about how passive a Def. coordinator Chavis is. If you think about it, almost every time a great QB has a bad game it is because of a fierce pass rush. Can't really argue with the Chief's numbers over the years but the right question is: How much better could our defense be if he blitzed even 15-20% of the time? Got to make the other QB hear footsteps. Patrick Petersen and Mo Claiborne would have trouble covering wideouts when you have to cover for 4 seconds or more. John "what's a Blitz" Chavis.
Ztiger87- you are right, I should have taken sacks and kneeldowns out. But I think runs by FB should be included. My reason for taking out the one long run is because it is an "outlier"- not representative of the other runs in the game. My bottom line is this: 1) Miles tries to pound the ball too much instead of running out of a 3 or 4 WR set and 2)Many LSU fans think we have a dominant running game and we really don't. Last year we ranked 50th in the FBS in average rushing yards per game(around 170). I have been unable to check previous years stats but I don't think they are much better. Our average yards per carry was around 4.2 - ranked around 60th or so. We ranked 92nd in average passing yards per game. Maybe I am being greedy, but if we can have a perennial Top 10 or Top 15 defense almost every year, can't we have an offense that ranks in the Top 25? You can play tough D AND score. Why not?
Amen to that. Been waiting for years to see us run out of the spread. Glimmer of hope: On Magee's second TD, we were in a 3 WR set and Magee ran up the middle for an easy 4 yard TD. Contrast that with so many times we have been stuffed using the Jumbo set. Hope this is the start of a trend.

re: Les Miles

Posted by slack691 on 9/1/13 at 10:45 pm to
I think LeonPhelps makes a good point. IMO, Les is a really classy guy with a lot of character and that is why he is such a good recruiter and why, for the most part, the players love him. But he WILL drive you crazy with his offensive philosophy and/or play calling. Give me Les' managerial skills, character, recruiting expertise, keep Chavis' defense and I'll take Chip Kelly as offensive coordinator. Dream on.
Watching the replay-I must have missed it last nite, but on Magee's second td from TCU's 4 yard line, Cameron had them in a 3 WR set, i.e he spread them out. Result: easy TD right up the gut. I have been waiting for LSU to use this approach rather than the "bunch 'em up" Jumbo Set that Miles has been so attached to. I am encouraged by this and can only pray that Cameron keeps doing it. GO TIGERS.
By the way, Magee's long TD run was, I believe, the only running play that was not between the tackles, or at least was the only one that could be considered a stretch play. What ever happened to the toss sweep? It seems that few teams run that these days.
I understand what you are saying, but the fact remains that we only averaged 3.1 yards per carry in 47 rushing attempts, which does reflect that on a vast majority of our rushing plays (97%) we were pretty mediocre. It sure seemed that there were at least 12-15 rushing plays in which we gained 2 yard or less. I never got the sense that we could rely on the running game for a sure 3 or 4 yard gain. It seems that Cameron realized this and threw the ball on many 3rd and shorts.
Said it was "decent" not bad. I just think we could run the ball better if we didn't use the Jumbo Set so much. It has gotten frustrating over the years to see Les rely so much on smashmouth football, which seems to me works best when you have a clear talent advantage. Nowadays, there is parity of talent so that the scheme is important. Oregon is the best example of this, always in the top 5 in the country over the last several years in RUSHING. Yes, they don't play in the SEC but last year they averaged almost 6 yards per carry. We averaged 4.2 yards per carry and 170 yard per game- 50th in the FBS. I just wish we could be in the top 25. Hope Cameron ditches the Jumbo Package, especially in the Red Zone.
48 carries for 197 = 4.1 ydss. per carry. Take out Magee's 52 yard run and we have 47 carries for 145 yards = 3.1 yards per carry. Decent, but not too great. We can stop teams from loading up in the box by running out of the spread or, in the case of Magee's short TD run, splitting the linemen a little to open up a running lane. Hope Cameron/Les stop using the Jumbo Set so much. Please RUN OUT OF THE SPREAD, especially in the Red Zone.
Agree with u on most observations, especially the one about we (and everyone else) run the ball better out of the shotgun or a 3 or 4 WR set. A lot of LSU fans think we have a dominant runnung game-not true. Last year we averaged 170 yds. per game (50th in FBS),4.2 yars per carry. hardly dominant. I don't think previous years were much better (have not checked yat). How many times do we have to use the Jumbo Set, especially down in the Red Zone, and get completely stuffed before Les realizes that the best way to run the ball is out of a spread formation. Last nite's rushing stats were 48 carries for 197 yds.= 4.1 yp carry. Take away Magee's 52 yd TD and it is 47 for 145 = 3.1 yards per carry. Mediocre at best. Many coaches like Les love to play smashmouth football, but it only works if you have a clear edge in talent, and sometimes not even then. Look at Oregon's or Arizona's yard per carry last year. Yes, thay are not in the SEC but 5.5 yards per carry is great in any league. RUN OUT OF THE SPREAD! PLEASE!
I'm with Independent George. Les has always wanted to have a power running game but there are very few teams that can just line up and run the ball down their opponents' throat- there is a general equality of talent. Especially hard to do against an 8 man front. Even Alabama can't do it consistently despite having a great offensive line, especially last year. The SCHEME does matter. The best way to run the football is to spread out the defense and run thru gaps. Many old school coaches, like Miles, can't get out of this "impose your will, be tough" mindset and keep trying the same plays, even when they are not working. I might also add that when teams like LSU use a lead fullback, especially in short yardage situations, then everyone in the stadium knows to "key on the fullback" and the play is often stuffed. It seemed like this happened 3 or 4 times against Clemson. Hey, here's a thought- why not run out of a 3 or even 4 WR set. You are effectively taking the safeties out of being able to stop the run just by your formation. Oregon does this as well as anyone and , yes, they are not in the SEC but they have ranked in the top 10 Rushing Offenses for the last 3 or 4 years (maybe even Top 5). I just hope Cameron tries it.
Chavis has done an excellent job overall but I agree that he inexplicably has the D play too soft sometimes, especially late in games. Against Bama last year, on their last drive, I think Bama completeed 3 15+ yard passes ON THE SIDELINE! In my opinion, that shouldn't happen in that situation. Also, I remember in 2011 against West Virginia when Geno Smith had 65 pass attempts and he wasn't sacked once until the very end. Makes no sense. You have to mix it upp and pressure the QB. As good as Chavis has been, it seems he plays "contain the QB" a little too often. It certainly worked against Manziel and A & M but there were times when Manziel had all day to throw. Also, against BAMA in the BCS championship game, he again refused to blitz and, as a result, McCarron got way too comfortable and that set the tone. It was impressive, however, how we held off Bama in that game as long as we did. The same can be said for the Bama game last year, when Bama was completely stopped in the second half until the last drive. I just wish that sometimes Chavis would take more chances as far as blitzing goes because, if you think about it, when great QB's have bad games it is almost always because their protection has broken down and, no matter how good u are, you can't throw the ball if u don't have time to throw. In my opinion, the first thing a defense should do is make the opposing QB hear footsteps- no matter what league you are playing in. All in all, though, Chavis has been very good.

re: Biggest Concern going into 2013

Posted by slack691 on 8/4/13 at 2:59 pm to
I second that. I was never sure if it was Studrawa's fault for being totally unimaginative or if Miles was making him so conservative. Guess we will find out this year for sure. Or maybe Miles will trust Cameron more.
more significant than the #of running plays vs. # of passing plays is the TYPE OF PLAYS that LSU runs. At halftime of one of LSU's mid-late season games, the TV color man showed a LSU play from LSU's previous game. The play was: LSU with 7-man offensive line, 1 WR on each side, QB and 1 RB. Both receivers ran 10 yard hook patterns and BOTH were double-covered. The pass, of course, was incomplete. The announcer then stated that LSU had run this EXACT SAME PLAY 16 times in LSU's previous game. I think that he was trying to say (but was maybe too polite to say so) was that this offense was horrible.
Our passing attack is obviously limited by Mettenberger's lack of pocket awareness and lack of scrambling ability. Also, our WR talent this year was not as good as in years past and the OL has obviously had injuries and problems this year. Although it is understandable to a certain degree that the LSU offensive coaches often employ a "Max Protect" scheme to protect Mettenberger, there are still way too few plays in which LSU splits out 3 or 4 WR's.

In my humble opinion, LSU's offensive mindtrust is even more guilty of ineptitude. Mile still, in terms of running the footbsll, obviously subscribes to the grind-it-out, overpower your opponent, impose your will offensive philosophy. But today's teams, especially in mid to uppper levels of the SEC, are too similar in talent for this approach to work consistently. We did rush for 258 yds. against South Carolina, but this was an exception, albeit a welcome one.

The bottom line: scheme matters! Miles himself explains his throwing the ball at the end of the Clemson game because "there were too many men in the Box". What he refuses to even try is what some of the best college running offenses do on a regular basis- RUN OUT OF THE SPREAD. Oregon, and a lot of other good running teams, have been doing this with success for years. Many may not realize that Oregon's RUSHING offense has been in the top 5 the last 2 years. By using 2,3,4 or even 5 WRs, you are automaticall taking an equal amount of defenders out of the box- by the simple use of a basic formation. How may times have we seen LSU, in short yardage situations, have a 7 or 8 man line, zero or 1 WR and QB, FB, RB. And how many times have u seen us get stuffed?! In most cases, all the defense has to do is key on the fullback and the play is stuffed.

I also heard (not verified) that one of Clemson's defensive coaches said something like this: "LSU's idea of a trick play is a play-action pass".

The bottom line: the old-school mentality of the most effective way to rush the football is to put the most blockers "at the point of attack" may still be effective if u have an overwhelmin talent advantage. However, the last several years have shown (and it makes perfect sense) that "spreading the field" and running thru the gaps is far more effective. Not always, of course, but for the vast majority of situations.

Please Les, please hire an OC that is current and familiar with the more diverse offensive schemes that are prevalent today. GO TIGERS!
Food for thought: LSU total offense rankings since 2008: 2008 55th, 2009 112th, 2010 86th, 2011 86th, 2012 76th. Note: 2010 was Gary Crowton's last year. To those who point to Miles' admittedly stellar W/L record, I contend that every team should strive to be the best on BOTH SIDES of the football. We are way better on the defensive end: 2008 32nd, 2009 26th, 2010 12th,2011 2nd, 2012 7th. Just imagine the W/L record if we just averaged around 35th to 45th on offense, certainly not an unreasonable expectation. I love Miles as a person and a recruiter and believe that he has a truly genuine interest in his players and that they love hin for it- great recruiter, great motivator, great "father figure", but his offensive philosophy is way outdated. Although it is said that defense wins championships, it seems that a lot of people think that a good defense goes hand-in-hand with a grind it out, "ball control" offense. I submit that there are very few teams that can achieve this because overall talent is fairly even, with Alabama being the most prominent exception. LSU has certainly NOT had such great offensive talent that they can just overpower everybody, especially higher-echelon SEC talent. Yes, we rushed for 258 yards against South Carolina, which was probably the highlight of the season offensively. The bottom line- in most situations the offensive scheme matters. Look at Oregon, which has a consistently top 10 offense- I believe it was top 5 the last 2 years. But Oregon makes its living on RUNNING the ball. They spread you out and run thru the gaps. On the other hand, LSU- especially on short yardage situations, usually "bunches up" with a 7 or 8 man line, zero or only 1 WR and QB, FB, RB. If you don't want the other team's defense to put 8 or 9 in the box, why not run a 3 or 4 WR set. In other words, the most effective way to run the ball is out of a " passing" formation- spread the field. You are automatically taking 3 or 4 men out of the box. That's how Oregon has been doing it for several years now, with great success.

It still amazes me that so many teams, college and pro, still employ old school football in short yardage situations. Probably has to do with many older coaches' "be tougher than your opponent, try to impose your will" philosophy. Anyway, I think that Miles primarily subscribes to this (outdated) philosophy and hope that he does hire a new OC, preferably someone LIKE Chip Kelly, Kevin Sumlin, etc. We've GOT to change the Offense. Sorry for the long post, it is my first post on TD.com. Will check tomorrow for any responses. GO TIGERS!