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WiFi Mesh Question
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:17 pm
I have the Google hockey pucks that I got when they first came out and one of the three has stopped working.
I am looking at either getting a couple more hockey pucks, but I thought I might just upgrade.
My situation is that my internet cable comes into my detached garage. Instead of running a cable right above my back patio, I decided to keep the cable modem in the garage and set up my access point puck in the garage and put the other two pucks in the house, which is about 20 feet away. One puck in the basement and one on the 2nd floor. They cover the whole house, fine, although I think the streaming to the TV on the 1st floor on the opposite side of the house has some occasional buffering issues, hence the thought of getting 2 extra pucks to replace the one.
Is there a Mesh system out there that will cover my entire house (2 floors plus a basement, with aout 1200 ft on each floor)? I don't want to spend $500+, but could be convinced to spend $300ish if the coverage is superior.
Thoughts on a brand and system that will work? Keep in mind, the access point will be in an unheated garage.
I am looking at either getting a couple more hockey pucks, but I thought I might just upgrade.
My situation is that my internet cable comes into my detached garage. Instead of running a cable right above my back patio, I decided to keep the cable modem in the garage and set up my access point puck in the garage and put the other two pucks in the house, which is about 20 feet away. One puck in the basement and one on the 2nd floor. They cover the whole house, fine, although I think the streaming to the TV on the 1st floor on the opposite side of the house has some occasional buffering issues, hence the thought of getting 2 extra pucks to replace the one.
Is there a Mesh system out there that will cover my entire house (2 floors plus a basement, with aout 1200 ft on each floor)? I don't want to spend $500+, but could be convinced to spend $300ish if the coverage is superior.
Thoughts on a brand and system that will work? Keep in mind, the access point will be in an unheated garage.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:44 pm to Jax-Tiger
Honestly you can probably get it done with a couple more pucks.
One thing to keep in mind, and there is a bit of speculation here, but I believe the google pucks radiate best up and out, but not down. This means the puck on the 2nd floor is likely doing very little for the 1st floor. The first floor is probably only covered by the basement puck, which depending on your floor might not be doing much either.
Just as a test, maybe try flipping the 2nd floor puck upside down or on its side to see if the 1st floor gets better coverage. If so, maybe you can mount it vertically on a wall to better cover the 1st floor. Try to imagine a dome projecting out the top and sides of the puck, and aim it appropriately for your house. Might be better off putting that puck on the 1st floor and let it cover the top floor. And of course one per level would be best.
One thing to keep in mind, and there is a bit of speculation here, but I believe the google pucks radiate best up and out, but not down. This means the puck on the 2nd floor is likely doing very little for the 1st floor. The first floor is probably only covered by the basement puck, which depending on your floor might not be doing much either.
Just as a test, maybe try flipping the 2nd floor puck upside down or on its side to see if the 1st floor gets better coverage. If so, maybe you can mount it vertically on a wall to better cover the 1st floor. Try to imagine a dome projecting out the top and sides of the puck, and aim it appropriately for your house. Might be better off putting that puck on the 1st floor and let it cover the top floor. And of course one per level would be best.
quote:You're cutting it tight with that budget trying to cover 3 levels plus a detached garage. Like I said, I'm sure you can get it done with the google pucks, but if you want a truly good signal throughout then your best bet is to run some cable between floors instead of relying on wifi mesh.
Is there a Mesh system out there that will cover my entire house (2 floors plus a basement, with aout 1200 ft on each floor)? I don't want to spend $500+, but could be convinced to spend $300ish if the coverage is superior.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 2:32 pm to Korkstand
Thanks for the detailed reply.
I should have mentioned that all of my pucks are mounted in brackets so they are sideways on the wall. I have the 2 in the house mounted against the wall on the side of the house closest to the garage, so the signal goes from the garage to the house, gets picked up by the two pucks (one in the basement and one on the second floor) and broadcast to the rest of the house.
My concern about the extra pucks and put them closer to the other side of the house, that the system might switch to daisy chain mode, which is inherently less efficient, as I understand.
If it is worth it, I may be willing to spend a little extra, if I can get fast and reliable coverage throughout the house. I guess I put a cap on the budget because I've never spent that much on wifi, before, and am suffering from sticker shock. Used to be that you could get a really good router for a couple hundred. Of course, until I moved to this house last year, I never lived in a place where I had my wifi originating in the garage.
I should have mentioned that all of my pucks are mounted in brackets so they are sideways on the wall. I have the 2 in the house mounted against the wall on the side of the house closest to the garage, so the signal goes from the garage to the house, gets picked up by the two pucks (one in the basement and one on the second floor) and broadcast to the rest of the house.
My concern about the extra pucks and put them closer to the other side of the house, that the system might switch to daisy chain mode, which is inherently less efficient, as I understand.
If it is worth it, I may be willing to spend a little extra, if I can get fast and reliable coverage throughout the house. I guess I put a cap on the budget because I've never spent that much on wifi, before, and am suffering from sticker shock. Used to be that you could get a really good router for a couple hundred. Of course, until I moved to this house last year, I never lived in a place where I had my wifi originating in the garage.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 2:59 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:Even if so, a couple of mesh hops should still result in pretty good speed. Plenty enough to prevent buffering while streaming.
My concern about the extra pucks and put them closer to the other side of the house, that the system might switch to daisy chain mode, which is inherently less efficient, as I understand.
But yeah, this is why hard wire is recommended.
quote:Yeah take a look at some of the Orbi systems. $300+ per unit for some, yikes!
I guess I put a cap on the budget because I've never spent that much on wifi, before, and am suffering from sticker shock. Used to be that you could get a really good router for a couple hundred.
And I think that back in the day when a good router for a couple hundred bucks was sufficient, we were doing a lot less streaming and we didn't expect great wifi on our phones over every square foot of the house. Also, the spectrum is getting more crowded since everyone is blasting wifi all over the place, so interference plays more and more into it (assuming you have neighbors nearby).
So 5-10+ years ago people were always looking for wifi extenders and such before the mesh systems improved on that. And having multiple access points is more important now with cell phones because no matter how "strong" your wifi router is, the device still has to talk back to it. So a few lower-powered APs will give a better experience than one high-powered one.
So if you can get past the sticker shock, wiring up the house with cat6 is the best long-term solution. Honestly though it might not be too bad if you call around your local shops. Something like Ubiquiti APs are not very expensive, and maybe you can find someone to hook them up pretty cheap. I would think 2 of them would give better coverage than 3 or 4 google pucks, and you might be able to get it all done for less than $500 all in.
Then your wifi will be basically out of sight on the ceiling rather than on a shelf or whatever plugged into the wall. Ideally your access point should be near the middle of a room, because if it's against a wall then the range is immediately cut down.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 3:21 pm to Jax-Tiger
We have the Netgear Orbi and it's fantastic
Posted on 2/11/21 at 3:36 pm to Korkstand
Yeah, I have them plugged into the wall closest to the garage, which means the bottom of the puck faces the wifi source. My house is brick, so I wanted the pucks in the house to be as close as possible to the puck in the garage. They still worked okay, but I may experiment with moving them away from the outer wall nearest the garage.
I don't want to spend $200 on pucks that still have the same problem. I think I'd rather pay $400 for a better overall unit, so I'm torn.
I don't want to spend $200 on pucks that still have the same problem. I think I'd rather pay $400 for a better overall unit, so I'm torn.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 3:50 pm to Byron Bojangles III
quote:
We have the Netgear Orbi and it's fantastic
We were just discussing that. Yikes! Pricey.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 3:54 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Also have the Netgear Orbi, best purchase I've made. My downstairs satellite reaches out to the pool and beyond to my backyard fire pit and RV garage.
I was mad at myself for waiting so long due to the price and throwing other options like crap extenders at the problem. Should have made the switch years ago. Happy as can be now though.
I was mad at myself for waiting so long due to the price and throwing other options like crap extenders at the problem. Should have made the switch years ago. Happy as can be now though.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:06 pm to Jax-Tiger
So not to get too far off topic, but here's how the math tends to work out for a lot of things (not just technology): saving money up front costs more down the road.
So you've got a few hundred invested in google pucks. One has already died. You're considering buying more of them, or switching to another mesh system for a few hundred more. Either way you go, eventually whatever you choose will break or no longer be supported, and you have to throw it all out and buy the latest and greatest because they don't all inter-operate. So then you're spending a few hundred again.
My suggestion is to run cable (or pay someone to do it). You might end up paying $500+ just for the cable to be installed, and then you have to buy wifi access points. But once the cable is run, it's done. The APs are relatively cheap (~$100 or so), and they last a really long time because they only do one thing. And they do it well. If one does eventually fail, just buy whatever cheap AP you can find to replace it. Brand doesn't matter, because it's just an AP plugged into your network. It doesn't have to "mesh" with anything else, it'll just work.
If you can't tell, I'm practicing my sales pitch for convincing people to run cat6.
So you've got a few hundred invested in google pucks. One has already died. You're considering buying more of them, or switching to another mesh system for a few hundred more. Either way you go, eventually whatever you choose will break or no longer be supported, and you have to throw it all out and buy the latest and greatest because they don't all inter-operate. So then you're spending a few hundred again.
My suggestion is to run cable (or pay someone to do it). You might end up paying $500+ just for the cable to be installed, and then you have to buy wifi access points. But once the cable is run, it's done. The APs are relatively cheap (~$100 or so), and they last a really long time because they only do one thing. And they do it well. If one does eventually fail, just buy whatever cheap AP you can find to replace it. Brand doesn't matter, because it's just an AP plugged into your network. It doesn't have to "mesh" with anything else, it'll just work.
If you can't tell, I'm practicing my sales pitch for convincing people to run cat6.

Posted on 2/11/21 at 4:26 pm to Korkstand
I hear you, but I'm not likely to live in this house for more than a year or so. I can take my new wifi routers with me, but I can't take the Cat6. So it won't work for me.
I was looking at an eero system. A 3-pack of routers for $223. I can get a fourth one for another $100. Looks pretty good and they are Wifi 6 (AC1800) routers. Seems to be a good deal. A three pack of the eero PRO 6's runs $600, by comparison...
I was looking at an eero system. A 3-pack of routers for $223. I can get a fourth one for another $100. Looks pretty good and they are Wifi 6 (AC1800) routers. Seems to be a good deal. A three pack of the eero PRO 6's runs $600, by comparison...
Posted on 2/11/21 at 6:32 pm to Jax-Tiger
I have the Eero system on my Eatel Gig service.
No complaints since I switched to Eero over a year ago.
No complaints since I switched to Eero over a year ago.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:44 am to SenseiBuddy
i've had the orbi ac3000 for maybe 4-5 years and have no complaints. great coverage in the house and outside.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:49 pm to Jax-Tiger
Netgear Orbi will handle that easily.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:45 pm to Jax-Tiger
quote:I gotcha. The payback period is probably 5+ years for running cable strictly for wifi, so probably a good decision going with a mesh system.
I hear you, but I'm not likely to live in this house for more than a year or so. I can take my new wifi routers with me, but I can't take the Cat6. So it won't work for me.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:49 pm to kywildcatfanone
Lots of Orbi fans in here. You guys have the Lego style or the air freshener style?
And damn I didn't realize how many different models they have.
And damn I didn't realize how many different models they have.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 6:08 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Lots of Orbi fans in here. You guys have the Lego style or the air freshener style?
Air Freshener. They are bigger than I was expecting too, but I have them in closets.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 10:02 pm to kywildcatfanone
I bit the bullet and bought the Orbi AC3000. Router + Satellite on sale for $259 at Walmart right now. Thought that was pretty good. Saw the same thing at Best Buy for $329 on sale.
Orbi AC3000
Thought I'd post a link as it seems to be a good deal.
Orbi AC3000
Thought I'd post a link as it seems to be a good deal.
Posted on 2/13/21 at 12:15 am to Byron Bojangles III
quote:Only problem with Orbi is it doesn't accept a network drive via USB.
We have the Netgear Orbi and it's fantastic
I have Orbi. Works great, but I'm looking for a mesh system that accepts a USB 3.0 drive. Anyone have a recommendation?
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/13/21 at 5:52 am to HubbaBubba
Followup:
I was getting download speeds of 80-90 mbps at the back of the house (nearest the garage), before. 30-40 on the front side of the house.
After installing the Orbi, I get 230 down on the back side of the house and 160 on the front side.
That's with one unit in the garage and one unit on the second floor landing. The garage unit covers the basement and back of the house and the 2nd floor unit covers the second floor and front of the house. I don't think I'll need a second satellite.
2 additional pucks would cost me $200. The entire Orbi cost me $259. The extra 60 bucks gives me 3x the bandwidth.
An extra AC3000 satellite is running $249, so I'm very glad we didn't need it.
So far, very pleased with Orbi.
BTW - This is WiFi 5, not 6.
I was getting download speeds of 80-90 mbps at the back of the house (nearest the garage), before. 30-40 on the front side of the house.
After installing the Orbi, I get 230 down on the back side of the house and 160 on the front side.
That's with one unit in the garage and one unit on the second floor landing. The garage unit covers the basement and back of the house and the 2nd floor unit covers the second floor and front of the house. I don't think I'll need a second satellite.
2 additional pucks would cost me $200. The entire Orbi cost me $259. The extra 60 bucks gives me 3x the bandwidth.
An extra AC3000 satellite is running $249, so I'm very glad we didn't need it.
So far, very pleased with Orbi.
BTW - This is WiFi 5, not 6.
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 5:56 am
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