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re: UniFi home network question

Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:00 am to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:00 am to
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I don’t understand this thread at all.

This tracks considering you are suggesting that OP essentially scrap a network that already consists of a minimum of 20 managed switch ports (some poe), and rather than add some rock solid aps to be managed via the same single pane of glass app and which disappear on the ceiling you would have him plug some deco crap into wall sockets taking up shelf space and toss in a diy pfsense box for good inconsistent measure?
Posted by Twincam
Member since Nov 2021
844 posts
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:19 am to
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Y’all talking about dropping a grand or more


You're passionate about this I spent $400 bucks to cover my home with U6's. I'm getting 600-700 Mbps, is this not fast enough for 2014 speeds? I'd rather buy a "consumer commercial" system and be done for 5-6 years.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:23 am to
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Y’all talking about dropping a grand or more for 2x2 1024 QAM 80mhz channels

The U6+ they are referring to is $129 and 160mhz channels. How many do you think he needs spending a grand?
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$100 would at least get you 160MHz. In the whole home

Not sure what you're looking at for $100. If it's the orbi 963 that "fell into your lap" well that's what usually costs a grand. Hey I wonder why people let them go for so cheap?


Anyway, enjoy your orbi units which are not even compatible with other orbi models and have fun when it comes time to replace the whole kit. Meanwhile plenty of us are happy with our "decade old" tech that we wouldn't dream of replacing with orbi or deco or any other crap. And we know that unifi is not the end all be all, but it just works, it's consistent and solid, and it lets us tinker if we want or just set and forget.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:03 am to
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Meanwhile plenty of us are happy with our "decade old" tech



I don’t want to sound like Bill Gates with his 1981 “640K ought to be enough for anybody,” but I remember (and early adopted) 802.11g. There was a dramatic increase in throughput and noticeable performance with 802.11n also for everyone in every scenario, basically.


But 802.11ac has done very little for the way most people use devices, honestly. If you’re line of site from an AP and can’t run a cable, benchmarks look good. And if you spend all day on that device downloading large files (streaming doesn’t apply here), you’ll be better off. But people want APs in cabinets, hidden behind things, and to walk around freely with their devices to use 0-20mbps (on 5-10 different devices). Further, it’s actually, to a fair extent, “messed up” a lot of implementation of IoT stuff. Can you argue it’s easy to split bands, use separate SSID, and avoid certain IoT devices to only use “better” ones ? Sure. But is that really practical? I would argue that for the average consumer out there that it is not.


Would I recommend buying 802.11n-only capable devices? Of course not. Part of the reason, of course, would be that no one uses the other advancements (modern UI, MIMO bands generally limited, etc). But if you could get a 3x3 802.11n UniFi (or other ‘prosumer) brand) AP for $50, I would be highly likely to use it. But no one makes it. And I don’t really blame them, either.

Each subsequent release of WiFi standards has similarly had little impact on the real world use other than:
Wireless bridging between APs to bring a solid signal to everything and be controlled by one app




Now, if I were building a stadium, movie theater, running a public network for a downtown area that held festivals, I would have a very, very different view of what each WiFi standards has done. But even in a typical office setting, infinitely expandable wireless N APs are infinitely more useful than 3 “modern” devices that you spread around and talk wirelessly to each other if you have any nuance to what needs to be where.



I mentioned I do have a couple wall APs above. One is a 6 device. My devices perform no better, no worse with it. For $20 I may buy a newer chip model than the older tech. But until something breaks, my decade old tech will run well beyond what anyone in my house will use it for for probably another decade, and it will be upgraded one piece at a time when that’s not true or disaster hits.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
916 posts
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:57 pm to
I’ve got a U6 lite (80mhz) that just speed tested 500mb up and down while I’m siting on my couch. Not walking up the stairs to speed test the 6+.

I also have a pair of U7 outdoor for one of my commercial properties sitting here in a box too that I could plug in an test but honestly with what I’ve got I never have any issues with lack of bandwidth and haven’t considered upgrading any of the AP’s at my house. I think I spent approx $500-600 for dream machine and extra 2 AP.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15112 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:17 pm to
Well hell, between this thread and working from home some more during the holidays I've been looking at my UniFi Network stuff a bit more.

Don't WANT to start a new thread and maybe Dallas can enlighten me on to how my network is screwed up.

Pay for ATT fiber 300/300 plan.
Have a BGW320 on my desk that if I hard line off of it to my laptop I get close to advertised speeds run on a google speed test.

Normally I have it run to a USW-Lite-8-PoE in my attic that Powers 3 different UAP AC IW on the edge bedrooms of my house and a UAP AC Lite in the attic that covers the majority of the middle of the house.
Have a drop in Media nook behind TV with its own little USW Flex Mini and then the rest of the ports coming off it come back through to my office wall plate and have personal laptop and work laptop hardlined off the switch.

Hardlined off the UniFi Switch I only get about 90/90 speeds, Hardlined to the ATT Modem/Router I'm getting close to 300/300, and Speed test on ATT's site to the modem is closer to 400/400.

What's up with the slowdown going through my UniFi stuff?

To be clear, I never have any issues with it and have great wifi coverage and consistency.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:23 pm to
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I think I spent approx $500-600 for dream machine and extra 2 AP.


I just totaled up my purchases from Amazon mostly and UI.com and I'm $450 in for stuff thats been rock solid for 5 years now.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:56 pm to
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Hardlined off the UniFi Switch I only get about 90/90 speeds

This strongly suggests that you have a bad link/cable/termination which is causing the speed to be negotiated at FE 100mbit rather than gigabit. If you're running UniFi network controller you may be able to see which port is connected as FE rather than GbE
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15112 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:28 pm to
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his strongly suggests that you have a bad link/cable/termination which is causing the speed to be negotiated at FE 100mbit rather than gigabit. If you're running UniFi network controller you may be able to see which port is connected as FE rather than GbE


That’s exactly what it was.
Just so happened that the port that was the uplink to the switch is FE for some reason, swapped those around in the little 3 gang wall plate in my office and it fixed it right up. Need to figure out why that connection is bad at some point but that definitely fixed that problem.


Thanks Kork
Posted by NfamousPanda
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Member since Jan 2016
1069 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 4:54 pm to
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Normally I would go with the wifi7 APs but have read about a lot of IOT issues with the 2.4 band. I’m just learning so I don’t think I’d be up to fighting those type issues if they popped up.


This. Go with the U6 Pros. I upgraded to the U7s and have had a bunch of issues.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:27 am to
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This strongly suggests that you have a bad link/cable/termination which is causing the speed to be negotiated at FE 100mbit rather than gigabit. If you're running UniFi network controller you may be able to see which port is connected as FE rather than GbE




Agree that cable is the most likely culprit, but you need to go into both the AT&T firmware and the UniFi firmware and try to force 1000/1000 connection instead of auto negotiate before running a new cable.


ETA- though in reading the response, it was the cable. Such is life.
If they’re cables you made, use a tester to make sure all the pairs are working. If you don’t have a tester, just pull one end off and reterminate it. If that works, great, if it doesn’t, do the other. If that doesn’t fix it, then you either suck at terminating cables or something chewed the wire (or broke it while pulling it through walls)
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 8:30 am
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15112 posts
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:58 am to
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ETA- though in reading the response, it was the cable. Such is life.


So I pulled the faceplate out of the wall and looked at the connector, and it seemed fine and stuck it back in and it lit up green GBe for an hour or so. So I’m thinking it’s on that end possibly. I’ll check both ends eventually but swapping which cable was the uplink to the switch fixed the rest of the house’s speeds.
Posted by OldCat55
Member since Apr 2021
697 posts
Posted on 12/27/24 at 3:05 pm to
I appreciate all the comments. I’m building this network as more of a hobby than anything else. I’ll probably have more questions to pose to y’all in the future.
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