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Security cameras
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:28 am
Anyone have any really positive or negative feedback on the various security cameras / brands out there?
I'm looking at cameras that are 4K, PoE (so I don't have to worry about battery or wifi outages). Probably 4 cameras.
I don't mind spending $5-600 for this to get a good quality setup instead of some cheap crap that ends up not cutting it and being replaced. I'm looking at some of the packages that include 4 x 4K cameras plus an NVR. However, I have a Synology NAS so the NVR isn't a must as I can use the Synology app. So I would just need a good PoE switch instead of the full NVR.
Ring is obviously pretty popular. I see some solid looking stuff from ReoLink, Amcrest and Ubiquiti. ReoLink is a Chinese company which concerns me, although all of this stuff is made in China as far as I can tell. Ubiquiti has some interesting things available in their broader ecosystem of products and software although much of it is more commercial oriented and overkill for my needs.
I'm looking at cameras that are 4K, PoE (so I don't have to worry about battery or wifi outages). Probably 4 cameras.
I don't mind spending $5-600 for this to get a good quality setup instead of some cheap crap that ends up not cutting it and being replaced. I'm looking at some of the packages that include 4 x 4K cameras plus an NVR. However, I have a Synology NAS so the NVR isn't a must as I can use the Synology app. So I would just need a good PoE switch instead of the full NVR.
Ring is obviously pretty popular. I see some solid looking stuff from ReoLink, Amcrest and Ubiquiti. ReoLink is a Chinese company which concerns me, although all of this stuff is made in China as far as I can tell. Ubiquiti has some interesting things available in their broader ecosystem of products and software although much of it is more commercial oriented and overkill for my needs.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:48 am to pheroy
quote:Hm I'd say that $600 would be bare minimum for 4EA 4k cameras of decent quality, not including cabling, NVR, switch, installation, or anything else. Honestly 4k is rarely required and 4MP is plenty, would save maybe 30% cost and a lot of storage space.
I don't mind spending $5-600 for this to get a good quality setup instead of some cheap crap that ends up not cutting it and being replaced.
quote:Yes Reolink is chinese, and Amcrest is rebranded Dahua which is also chinese. Ubiquiti is American but of course pretty much all of their gear is made in china as well. If you venture outside of china your costs double and go up from there.
I see some solid looking stuff from ReoLink, Amcrest and Ubiquiti. ReoLink is a Chinese company which concerns me, although all of this stuff is made in China as far as I can tell.
quote:Also if you insist on 4k then you don't want Ubiquiti, you'll be looking at $1,800 for 4 of their 4k cams. It also doesn't play nicely with 3rd party stuff, though it should be possible to make them work with Synology. I do like Ubiquiti, though, and have installed and support several of their camera systems. It is the slickest and easiest to use system that I've found for local recording.
Ubiquiti has some interesting things available in their broader ecosystem of products and software although much of it is more commercial oriented and overkill for my needs.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:34 pm to Korkstand
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Also if you insist on 4k then you don't want Ubiquiti, you'll be looking at $1,800 for 4 of their 4k cams. It also doesn't play nicely with 3rd party stuff, though it should be possible to make them work with Synology. I do like Ubiquiti, though, and have installed and support several of their camera systems. It is the slickest and easiest to use system that I've found for local recording.
Yea day is pricy but I am really digging my 4k pros so far...altho it's only been about a week. I am married into the unifi platform (UDMP, 48 switch pro, NVRP), not being a real IT type its real easy to setup I just have to figure out what settings I want and need for the whole network. Just getting that ramped up.
I had seen a lot of talk about blue Irus as well when reading on some Reddit subs. That might be a program you use on your NAS and can run a bunch of different brand cameras? Don't quote me on that.
IMO when it comes to cameras buy once cry once. If you can't make out any features of someone, something you won't be able to catch them. Placement and the best resolution you can afford in the budget IMO. You can always add cameras down the line too.
Not saying unifi is the best I just went that way because I have the other gear but if you do it will be out of stock all the time. Don't rely on the notify men on their site. Go to reddit and THIS SUB UnifiInStock sort by new and leave it up on your screen and refresh all day. Took cpl weeks but I was able to snag what I wanted you just have to be quick. Ones on Amazon and ebay are being flipped and will be 2x the price.
Bonus while I was grabbing that sub link someone posted a unifi doorbell g4 pro (its in early access) Lighting strike near by...pretty cool.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:46 pm to NOLAGT
quote:Oh yes they are damn nice cameras, maybe even worth the price, but they don't fit in OP's budget. I like UniFi Protect a lot.
Yea day is pricy but I am really digging my 4k pros so far
quote:Blue Iris is NVR software that runs on a PC. I don't think it will run on a typical NAS, but you can save the recordings to a NAS via BI running on a PC. And yes it works with a lot of cameras, as do most NVRs and NVR/VMS programs like Blue Iris. The Ubiquiti stuff is one of the few exceptions here that doesn't work with industry standard ONVIF cameras (but neither do most/all of the "cloud" cameras like Ring/Nest/etc). Now you may not get all the specific manufacturer features by mixing and matching brands, but for the most part you should get video recording and motion detection at the least.
I had seen a lot of talk about blue Irus as well when reading on some Reddit subs. That might be a program you use on your NAS and can run a bunch of different brand cameras? Don't quote me on that.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 2:58 pm to Korkstand
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Blue Iris is NVR software that runs on a PC. I don't think it will run on a typical NAS, but you can save the recordings to a NAS via BI running on a PC. And yes it works with a lot of cameras, as do most NVRs and NVR/VMS programs like Blue Iris. The Ubiquiti stuff is one of the few exceptions here that doesn't work with industry standard ONVIF cameras (but neither do most/all of the "cloud" cameras like Ring/Nest/etc). Now you may not get all the specific manufacturer features by mixing and matching brands, but for the most part you should get video recording and motion detection at the least.
I’m not speaking with authority on this one, but I’m fairly certain there’s a Docker container for the older Unifi Video controller that can run on synology and carries support for all the cameras.
But Unifi is probably on the top end of his budget if not out of it. The exception would be 4x g3 flex, but he’d settle for 1080 when he asked for 4k, attached to his NAS-run NVR.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:43 pm to Korkstand
Thanks Korkstand & NOLAGT for your comments.
4K is probably a bit overkill, and I looked at the 4-5 MP options too. The premium for 4K isn't that huge and I have plenty of disk space so while I wouldn't want to jump into the $1500-2000 range, the cost of 4 x 4K cameras, a PoE switch and incidentals (I have a good bit of Cat 6 on a leftover spool from wiring my house several years ago), is ok. I see Amcrest 4K cameras individually at between $100-$150 and I think I can get a bundle discount possibly directly from Amcrest. Chatted with them and they said they're going to send a "promotional offer" to me.
4K is probably a bit overkill, and I looked at the 4-5 MP options too. The premium for 4K isn't that huge and I have plenty of disk space so while I wouldn't want to jump into the $1500-2000 range, the cost of 4 x 4K cameras, a PoE switch and incidentals (I have a good bit of Cat 6 on a leftover spool from wiring my house several years ago), is ok. I see Amcrest 4K cameras individually at between $100-$150 and I think I can get a bundle discount possibly directly from Amcrest. Chatted with them and they said they're going to send a "promotional offer" to me.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:48 pm to Korkstand
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Blue Iris is NVR software that runs on a PC. I don't think it will run on a typical NAS
Ahh ok I had just seen the name and how it works with a lot of brands well. I have only recently seen the terms docker and containers to run things maybe there is one for that on a NAS? I do recall some saying its possible with unifi too but its a PITA maybe like mentioned by Hopeful Doc. I didn't pay attention since it didn't really apply to me.
My last system was ICrealtime and it was a locked system for only their cameras I think? Got 2mp cameras because they were so expensive. I cursed them and the shitty software for the last 7 years. The protect app and cameras have made me very happy. That's why I'd say to the OP what ever brand you land on run the wires now and just add cameras down the line if need be.
Outside of those 2 brands I have a ring doorbell that is pretty slick too. I don't know how their regular cameras stack up but the doorbell has been flawless...but it does have a monthly fee that I wanted to avoid.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:49 pm to pheroy
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Thanks Korkstand & NOLAGT for your comments.

Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:22 pm to NOLAGT
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Bonus while I was grabbing that sub link someone posted a unifi doorbell g4 pro (its in early access) Lighting strike near by...pretty cool.
Ha, cool video and lol at the folks ragging on OP for not trimming the first 20 seconds. It does beg the question of whether future AI enabled cams will be able to go into a High Frame Rate mode for special events. Now THAT would be cool.
Back to original question, also having a look at Lorex which I see highly rated and recommended on some articles.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:04 pm to pheroy
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Ha, cool video and lol at the folks ragging on OP for not trimming the first 20 seconds. It does beg the question of whether future AI enabled cams will be able to go into a High Frame Rate mode for special events. Now THAT would be cool.
Back to original question, also having a look at Lorex which I see highly rated and recommended on some articles
I didnt read the comments but im not shocked lol. The unifi stuff has some AI smart detection stuff that is pretty interesting cars and people.
I think a buddy just got a Lorax system I'll ask him.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:34 pm to NOLAGT
quote:I guess you can run a Windows VM to house BlueIris on some NAS's, but I wouldn't expect it to perform well.
Ahh ok I had just seen the name and how it works with a lot of brands well. I have only recently seen the terms docker and containers to run things maybe there is one for that on a NAS?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:29 pm to pheroy
I recently did the 4k reolink cams. Spent a little over 1k for the 16 channel nvr, 5 4ks, 1 4k ptz, and 1 of their new dual channel wide angles.
Price didn't include wire work because I got the cat6 for free and ran it myself.
My favorite part is any TV I have a fire TV stick on will pull up my cams when I ask Alexa.
Price didn't include wire work because I got the cat6 for free and ran it myself.
My favorite part is any TV I have a fire TV stick on will pull up my cams when I ask Alexa.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:20 pm to baseballmind1212
So one thing I figured out in more research tonight - the Synology NAS app requires a license for each camera and generally only comes with 2. So for 4 cameras I'd need another 2, and they run around $50-55 each. Add the cost of a PoE switch to that and suddenly it's right around the extra cost of a package with an NVR included. The Synology app might be more flexible and better supported long term to justify getting those licenses, in addition to having a much larger storage pool available than 2 TB if I need/want. I also need to do more research on features & capabilities, but from a cost standpoint there's no advantage for a 4 cam setup. (And the per cam added cost for licenses is higher, so the more cams you have the more it skews toward the NVR.)
Posted on 4/8/22 at 6:10 am to pheroy
I had assumed you were aware of the Synology licensing already, so my bad. I have a Lorex system i bought in 2016 and got a few Reolink cams in 2020 that have replaced the 3 lorex cams on front of house. Ubiquiti cams are pretty impressive in the few i’ve installed for friends, granted easier if already in that ecosystem.
I have installed multiple Reolink systems for friends/clients as their mobile app and features come at a good price point, along with product availability. I ended up adding their NVR last year as way to offload network and storage from local resources to a dedicated device. You could get a 4 cam/nvr package within your budget from reolink. Plus you could add cams based on capabilities/use case.
I have installed multiple Reolink systems for friends/clients as their mobile app and features come at a good price point, along with product availability. I ended up adding their NVR last year as way to offload network and storage from local resources to a dedicated device. You could get a 4 cam/nvr package within your budget from reolink. Plus you could add cams based on capabilities/use case.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:31 am to BabySam
I'm not super strict on the budget mentioned but wouldn't want to get into 2-3x, for the initial setup. It was just a number where it looked like I could get something solid with 4 x 4K cams and NVR capability of some kind. Reolink, Amcrest, Lorex, a couple of others all seem to have roughly similar offerings in that range. Synology doesn't list Lorex though in their supported cameras, which seems odd.
So I'm really looking for differentiating factors in the UX now. Are the phone apps good, is the alert detection reliable (minimal false positives/negatives) etc. There are some discussions I see advocating for Blue Iris over Surveillance Station, too.
Doing more reviewing... found a pretty good basics writeup here.
So I'm really looking for differentiating factors in the UX now. Are the phone apps good, is the alert detection reliable (minimal false positives/negatives) etc. There are some discussions I see advocating for Blue Iris over Surveillance Station, too.
Doing more reviewing... found a pretty good basics writeup here.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 11:59 am to pheroy
quote:Lorex is another Dahua rebrand like Amcrest, so they should work.
Synology doesn't list Lorex though in their supported cameras, which seems odd.
quote:It will probably come down to personal preference, but for me and my use patterns I have to have a vertical scrolling timeline like Nest or UniFi Protect. It is *so* much faster and more intuitive to use than a horizontally scrolling one or a UI which only lets you browse/play clips from thumbnails. Also a clip/event viewer which crops the thumbnails to the area of the frame with motion.
So I'm really looking for differentiating factors in the UX now.
But maybe that's just because I review a lot of footage with a lot of events, and for you it would be fine if you just got thumbnail notifications.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:11 pm to Korkstand
My buddy i’ve been doing work for loves the Ubiquiti Protect for the thumbnail preview of events like you mentioned. He’s primarily on the go and uses his phone 98% of the time. I put in a support request to Reolink about that because they had a support article about the feature due out soon for their NVRs, they responded that it wasnt available yet. Now, if you just have individual cams added in the app then it works, but not when connected through NVR…kinda screwy
Posted on 4/8/22 at 1:21 pm to pheroy
Find the ones that are NDAA and/or SEA compliant. These cameras do not reach back to China.
Reolink is the best bang for buck for the NDAA compliant cameras.
Reolink is the best bang for buck for the NDAA compliant cameras.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:21 pm to Vood
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Find the ones that are NDAA and/or SEA compliant. These cameras do not reach back to China.
Reolink is the best bang for buck for the NDAA compliant cameras.
Reolink is Chinese made and while not specifically mentioned on the NDAA lists I've seen, it's still unclear to me that it's actually compliant. I guess by definition, not being banned means it's considered compliant but I'm not 100% sure how that is evaluated and verified.
I would generally like to avoid Chinese made if possible. I looked up a bunch of that info last night. But it looks like that would put this into a totally different price point so it's really hard to do.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:26 pm to pheroy
Re: Reolink, this article compares it vs Lorex: LINK /
From the article:
I might be even more suspicious about recently started Chinese brands as they would have started in an even more controlled era of the CCP.
From the article:
quote:
Reolink is a popular brand that is only a few years old. But they are not exactly new to the surveillance camera industry. The brand Reolink is owned by Shenzhen Baichuan Security Technology Co., Ltd. who are a manufacturer of security cameras and other surveillance equipment.
I might be even more suspicious about recently started Chinese brands as they would have started in an even more controlled era of the CCP.
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