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re: iOS/Android blended family

Posted on 10/19/19 at 11:14 am to
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/19/19 at 11:14 am to
Wait, you are saying you get good video quality sending videos in Textra? I haven't used it in a couple of years, but when I did it was compressed the same as every other sms/mms app.

As far as group, I've never had an issue with group texts using stock Google messages app. Gifs, group messages, pictures all work perfect. It's just the compressed video that sucks
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 12:42 pm to
Having second thoughts about switching to Android after reading about privacy issues with Google and seeing Apples stated privacy policy.

Is that silly?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:01 pm to
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Is that silly?

It is to me. YMMV.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:03 pm to
You are going to start a shite storm with this post haha.

I think it depends on what your personal preference is. You have to first realize that Google is a services and advertising company, and apple is a hardware company.

Google makes money by people using it's services and selling ad space. Apple makes money by selling phones. The trade off, is that Google's services are generally better, and the machine learning that Google does allows things like the Google assistant to be light years better than Siri.

For me personally, I enjoy that Google's services are able to make my life easier by using the Google assistant to complete tasks for me. Others will disagree, and say that they prefer privacy. The truth is, if you are that concerned over privacy, you have no business owning a smartphone at all, as they all can be accessed. Just look at how many iCloud hacks there are.

Now the cool talking point is for people to say that Google is selling your data, but that is completely false. What Google does, is match ads to potential users. The companies buying the ad space do not know anything at all about you.

For example, if I am looking at fishing lures, and Bass pro wants to advertise on Google chrome, they will match us together, but Bass pro will not know a thing about me. (Hope that made sense)

Now the real tricky part is that this is not Android dependent, if you use chrome on an iPhone you are subjected to the same issues. Same goes for every Google service. You can easily opt out of all of this tracking on an Android also, but again, that limits the experience and in my opinion defeats the purpose of a smartphone
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

The truth is, if you are that concerned over privacy, you have no business owning a smartphone at all, as they all can be accessed. Just look at how many iCloud hacks there are.


There are shades of gray, it's not either be as open as possible vs no phone at all.


You are going to be exposed to Google no matter what you do though. They have gotten themselves embedded in almost everything. Apple bounces your web surfing off their blacklist everywhere except China which goes through Tencent. There is really no escaping this beast.


Choosing how much you interface with certain companies isn't a bad thing though. I limit my interface with Google as much as I can reasonably deem possible. However the experience with apps like Waze, YouTube, etc make it impossible for me to be Google free.


It's quickly becoming a monopoly that needs to be split apart forcefully if necessary. It's the GE of our time.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:28 pm to
I'm not saying it is black and white. I'm saying if you are that concerned with privacy. Not referencing the casual user.

Point is, if your information is on anything digital, it can be accessed. So in that case, if you are that concerned about privacy, you shouldn't own a smartphone.

I have referenced it before, but I always think about my father in law. He thinks it is crazy that we have Google homes in our house "because they are listening to you". So when ever I go over to his house and walk by his iPad, I make sure to let out a "hey Siri"
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

I'm not saying it is black and white. I'm saying if you are that concerned with privacy. Not referencing the casual user. Point is, if your information is on anything digital, it can be accessed. So in that case, if you are that concerned about privacy, you shouldn't own a smartphone.


The problem is everyone should be that concerned with privacy and demand more action on it. You can't be a professional without a smartphone. I have one I cannot get rid of unless I want to find another form of work.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:31 pm to
Great post, thanks

quote:

Now the real tricky part is that this is not Android dependent, if you use chrome on an iPhone you are subjected to the same issues. Same goes for every Google service. You can easily opt out of all of this tracking on an Android also, but again, that limits the experience and in my opinion defeats the purpose of a smartphone


I definitely use google maps and Chrome, so I guess they know everything about me already.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:32 pm to
Damn, you edited while I was replying... Haha

But your point is spot on. If you want to be a part of the digital age, there is no avoiding it.

I agree that you can limit it to some degree, but usually that means using inferior service.

And as you also point out, alot of these people who rail against Google and use alternate services do not realize that the back end of those services go through Google anyway.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:37 pm to
Personally I really like what the EU is doing with data protection. You still get the services, but now you are backing the providers of those services into a corner with data usage restrictions. We have benefitted some for their effort in the States by them outing offenders.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:38 pm to
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The problem is everyone should be that concerned with privacy and demand more action on it


I agree to an extent, but it is a balance between companies offering excellent services that are intuitive for free (or the price of your data), and keeping your privacy. There is a reason why so many prefer Google maps and Waze over apple maps, and Google can not do what they have done with mapping without user data to build their mapping. This goes for most services out there

And I just do not know what action could even be taken at this point.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:39 pm to
Can you explain alittle more what the EU is doing? I am not really familiar
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Can you explain alittle more what the EU is doing? I am not really familiar


That would take a lot more explaining than I care to do here, look up the stuff on GDPR and such. It's supposed to give more consent to the individual about how their data is used. It overreaches a lot like with a lot of EU stuff, but I find it better than the big fat nothing burger we are doing here.

Any person can request all personal data that a company has on them and how it is being used. Big fines for a company that isn't compliant.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:46 pm to
There is the right to be forgotten/erasure stuff too where people can request their erasure from the data.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 5:04 pm to
So looking into it does seem like some of that stuff is trickling down from the EU slowly. Google has actually started to make some of its data collection stuff on Android opt in instead of opt out which I think is the smartest move for them. They have also made it easier to opt out of anything you are currently in like targeted ads.

I did also read that as far as history goes it is a fairly simple process to get all of your data history. They email you a zip file and then you can request for it all to be deleted.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/23/19 at 2:05 pm to
For anybody interested, Joe Rogan had Ed Snowden on today. It was pretty interesting. The last 30 minutes is on cell phone tracking and data collection. He pretty much says there is no way to stop it beyond getting rid of the phone. He does mention that apple does a better job at certain aspects, but also gets on iOS for not showing what apps are running.

Pretty interesting and on topic here.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15503 posts
Posted on 10/23/19 at 2:27 pm to
Cool will have to check it out, yeah they need to do a better job of killing background apps. I make sure to turn on everything to only while using on location tracking. Need something similar for background usage.
This post was edited on 10/23/19 at 2:27 pm
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/23/19 at 3:06 pm to
He touches on location services and how turning it off may not help. He says at 1 point that he could talk for 4 hours just on this.
Posted by hawgndodge
Member since Jun 2009
4745 posts
Posted on 10/23/19 at 4:26 pm to
I use Textra as well but iPhone videos that come in are hot garbage
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 10/23/19 at 7:55 pm to
US RCS rollout might be happening right now. Once apple supports RCS fallback it will make texting better
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