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re: Has Tech Slowed Down - Whats New?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:53 am to Korkstand
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:53 am to Korkstand
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What are you talking about? I meant if I can do whatever I want in VR then I'm not going to choose going grocery shopping in VR. I'm going to use it for either work or play, not for the day to day drudgery of chores. Do you want to recreate vacuuming the house in VR or do you want a machine to do it for you?
You made an assumption off of literally nothing that I said. I only talked about a VR grocery store. Not a VR Grand Theft Auto game. You hit an app on your phone, put your VR goggles on, and then you are virtually in a grocery store looking at all the items on the shelves and end caps and elsewhere. What ever you grab off the shelf goes into your cart and you just checkout at the end.
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:25 am to Roy Curado
quote:A VR headset doesn't eliminate any of that -- online shopping at the touch of a button has already eliminated all of that.
Since when does cooking involve socialization, walking, waiting in line for 20 mins to checkout, parking your car, and many other things that a VR headset could eliminate?
What you are suggesting is to bring back mundane and time wasting tasks through the use of VR. Utterly pointless, and sounds like a bunch of Metaverse shite nobody actually cares about.
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Order off Uber Eats takes far less time than order an entire 30+ item grocery list.
Ok, but no one is making that comparison. We're comparing VR shopping to standard app/web shopping.
For a 30+ item grocery list, the majority of items will be things I've already ordered. So as an example, I can just go to Walmart.com, there's a big prominent "Reorder Your Items" button at the top, bigger than anything else. I click that button, and there is my entire grocery list laid out before me, sorted by purchase frequency, I just tap quantities and hit the button to schedule the delivery. It's done. I do it all the time and it takes less than a couple minutes to get all of my grocery shopping done.
There is no possible way that involving a VR headset would make this task easier, faster, or more efficient. Typing out this post took longer.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:39 am to Roy Curado
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How can you expect a machine to know when YOU need something? If anything, that doesn't even seem feasible.
Uh, have you ever heard of data science?
There was an incident over 10 years ago where a father stormed into a Target causing a scene because they were sending advertisements in the mail for maternity products to his teenaged daughter. Later on, he got a call from Target management to apologize, but the father actually ended up apologizing -- unbeknownst to him before, his teenage daughter was pregnant. She had kept it a secret from her family, but Target actually knew before he did, because Target's algorithms can track and generate a pregnancy score for customers. Target's algorithms can even predict their customer's due dates.
NYTimes did an article on the situation..... 10 years ago.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:44 am to Roy Curado
quote:I'm trying to tell you that only one of these makes sense.
You made an assumption off of literally nothing that I said. I only talked about a VR grocery store. Not a VR Grand Theft Auto game.
quote:The thing we are trying to explain is that technology typically makes things faster or easier by eliminating the pointless and mundane things that we have to do. For some reason you seem excited about recreating the pointless and mundane things so we have to do them anyway.
You hit an app on your phone, put your VR goggles on, and then you are virtually in a grocery store looking at all the items on the shelves and end caps and elsewhere. What ever you grab off the shelf goes into your cart and you just checkout at the end.
It's like inventing the telephone but then you still have to leave your house and find someone to talk to.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:44 am to efrad
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A VR headset doesn't eliminate any of that -- online shopping at the touch of a button has already eliminated all of that.
You are too ignorant to grasps the concept. What is mundane is going on my phone and having to type in a list that I already created on paper to scroll through all the options and spend time deciphering where this all is. Or I can walk through a grocery store with my VR headset and get everything I need without all the BS that comes with web grocery shopping. Its easier to see 1,000 items in person vs a page that can only show 10-100 items at a time and consist of hundreds of pages.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:48 am to efrad
Yeah this isn't new tech lol. There are too many variables for machines to learn when you need something and it be accurate. What if I cook 3 times a week and the next week I cook 10 times? So the next week it will send me the items for x10?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:30 pm to Roy Curado
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You are too ignorant to grasps the concept. What is mundane is going on my phone and having to type in a list that I already created on paper to scroll through all the options and spend time deciphering where this all is. Or I can walk through a grocery store with my VR headset and get everything I need without all the BS that comes with web grocery shopping. Its easier to see 1,000 items in person vs a page that can only show 10-100 items at a time and consist of hundreds of pages.
I'm not the ignorant one in this situation. Your VR experience sounds good to you because it's a fantasy superior alternative to regular brick-and-mortar grocery shopping, and you find web-based online shopping arduous because you're not very familiar with it. That's why you glossed over all of the points I made above and went straight to calling me ignorant.
When I first tried online grocery ordering, all of my stuff was already neatly in a list based on purchase history and frequency. Even if you took the long way and typed an entire list, you would only need to do that once and it would be saved forever -- are you going to put on a VR headset and browse aisles for everything every time you want to order things? You don't need to look at the entire 1,000 item inventory at once or in 10-100 item pages. You can tap one button and see all of the items you buy and want immediately, in one single list. Right now, today, with current technology, I just tap "Reorder" and there is everything I buy, right there. One spot. Adding a VR headset to this process whenever you want to shop is absurd.
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Yeah this isn't new tech lol. There are too many variables for machines to learn when you need something and it be accurate. What if I cook 3 times a week and the next week I cook 10 times? So the next week it will send me the items for x10?
If we're talking automatic grocery shopping, then:
1. Get an alert your periodic grocery list is going to be shipped soon -- you tap it
2. You look at the list and tap the - and + to adjust quantities as needed, tap done
3. Groceries arrive later
During this process you might see "related items" presented to you on the margins of the pages based on the type of items you purchase, making it super easy to grab additional things you might need without having to type a bunch of stuff in.
How is this difficult? How is this a long, drawn out mundane process compared to putting on head gear and virtually walking up and down grocery aisles trying to find where an item is "stocked"?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:24 pm to Roy Curado
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You are too ignorant to grasps the concept.
quote:Hang on why are you making paper lists instead of picking from and tweaking the list already in a shopping app?
What is mundane is going on my phone and having to type in a list that I already created on paper
quote:Are you scrolling through the entire store inventory until you find what you need instead of just typing what you want?
to scroll through all the options
quote:Hang on hang on hang on. Are you using an app while in the store to help you locate items in the store? Are you not just adding things to your cart while at home so that it's all ready for curbside pickup in a couple hours?
and spend time deciphering where this all is.
quote:So typing "eggs" and tapping add to cart is a bunch of BS but putting on the frickin' goggles and "walking" to the egg aisle, then swinging your head around to look at shite and then I guess physically reaching out with your arm to grab the eggs you want and putting them in your VR cart is not a bunch of BS?
Or I can walk through a grocery store with my VR headset and get everything I need without all the BS that comes with web grocery shopping.
quote:At this point I have to ask: do you know what a search engine is?
Its easier to see 1,000 items in person vs a page that can only show 10-100 items at a time and consist of hundreds of pages.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:34 pm to Roy Curado
quote:Nah.
There are too many variables for machines to learn when you need something and it be accurate.
quote:I don't think I would allow a machine to spend my money without confirmation. But when I am finished scanning the proposed shopping list and tweaking its contents and quantities and have pressed the order button, you will still be fumbling with your VR goggles and maybe beginning your trek over to the bread aisle.
What if I cook 3 times a week and the next week I cook 10 times? So the next week it will send me the items for x10?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:29 pm to Korkstand
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"The cloud" is just another word for "someone else's computer". They offer some pretty useful services, but you can get most of them by running free services on your own computers in your own home.
One of my best purchases was a Synology DS1520+. The only problem is the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor). Now that I no longer have a wife, it's perfect. I'm at 16TB available (2 6TB, 3 4TB drives), more than half used, mostly on music and movies, with snapshots included. I spend $100 about every 18 months to replace a degraded drive, and that's it. (Started with in computer RAID, moved to a 2 bay Synology unit, and then to the five bay I have now.) You absolutely need to get a NAS rated drive, a desktop drive will last under a year with the constant vibration in my experience.
I don't need iCloud, I don't need OneDrive, I just use Backblaze to back up TB of data (already encrypted with a client side key before it gets sent) to Amazon Glacier (just in case.) Dealing with the TLS certificates and DNS names is a bit of a pain in the arse, but like I said, there's no WAF involved, so I can deal with it.
I think consolidating HomeKit, ZigBee, Z-Wave, etc., is the next frontier. Now with Matter, it will get easier, but there will still be outliers like Hue that require their own hubs, even with a unified standard. I'll buy Wyze and similar open standard kit, I have too many f*%king apps as it is.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:14 pm to LemmyLives
Hmmm, a couple of things in general in response to various pieces of this thread.
Big data is not about storing your local media or whatnot that is relevant to only you. It's multiple types of data across multiple domains, and brought together and connected in ways it wasn't originally. Tying together identifying bits of info on an IP address to surface a person, then connecting that to various info to create patterns. Some of you know this. Anyway, that's a very different thing than just "the cloud" which can replicate local storage on someone else's computer (but gives you professional, guaranteed services like robust backup).
Re: smart devices and object recognition. I am more interested in something that can tell me about the shite I buy that I DON'T need. Or shite I already bought and need to use. That jar of Thai or whatever paste to make a curry that has been lurking for a couple of years now.
Big data is not about storing your local media or whatnot that is relevant to only you. It's multiple types of data across multiple domains, and brought together and connected in ways it wasn't originally. Tying together identifying bits of info on an IP address to surface a person, then connecting that to various info to create patterns. Some of you know this. Anyway, that's a very different thing than just "the cloud" which can replicate local storage on someone else's computer (but gives you professional, guaranteed services like robust backup).
Re: smart devices and object recognition. I am more interested in something that can tell me about the shite I buy that I DON'T need. Or shite I already bought and need to use. That jar of Thai or whatever paste to make a curry that has been lurking for a couple of years now.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:44 pm to Roy Curado
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You are too ignorant to grasps the concept.
Something about glass houses and throwing stones comes to mind. You are using this technology wrong if you think the comparison is manually shopping from a paper list in an app. You can use your voice assistant on your phone to add things to your cart on Walmart, so rather than do something as antiquated as writing a list down, as you run low on things you tell Siri/Google to add them to your Walmart cart. You can do the same thing with Alexa and Amazon/Whole Foods.
So rather than keeping a paper list that you need to shop for later, your list has been transformed into a filled shopping cart ready to check out without having to type or scroll at all, or virtually walk down an aisle.
These apps also make it very easy to access and reorder items you regularly buy. Again, if your argument is VR shopping is easier than shopping on a tiny phone screen, you're using those apps wrong.
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Its easier to see 1,000 items in person vs a page that can only show 10-100 items at a time and consist of hundreds of pages.
Now this I can agree with, and there are times where you would want to virtually shop like that. The smart phone is a double edged sword. You are always able to use it no matter where you are, but by becoming the primary device we access the digital world with, the experience has its limitations.
As for the OP's question, I don't know what home tech is coming next. Most people predicted our phones getting ever smaller until the iPhone came along and changed everything.
What we do know is coming is AI. Not the big "general intelligence" that will kill us all one day, but we are seeing a rise of narrowly focused AI on the verge of being ready for prime time that will make amazing things when they are layered on top of each other.
For example, GPT3 is a language AI, think chat bots where you ask it questions and it gives answers. The next version, GPT4 is coming out soon and reportedly is very good at passing turing tests and fooling people into thinking it's human. LINK / Combine GPT4 with AI voice recognition that can detect our mood by analyzing our voice, and you can build a responsive virtual personal assistant. Basically Siri will get several steps closer to Scarlett Johansson in the movie Her.
We also have seen quite a bit of progress this year in AI that generates art, photos and even video from text prompts. Can't find anything to watch on Netflix? 5-10 years from now Netflix's "Surprise Me" button might be able to digitally create a show from scratch, on the fly based on what you like to watch.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:25 am to Roy Curado
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What is mundane is going on my phone and having to type in a list that I already created on paper to scroll through all the options and spend time deciphering where this all is.
Or trying to convince your wife you need a list before you head to the market. So mundane. Tech can make things easier, "B!tch, add mustard to the shopping list." However, no matter what you're using, if the household doesn't understand the importance of {using any system}, VR, Alex, Siri, and post it notes don't matter. Alexa exists because people are lazy. Yet, I'm guessing 50% of your wives, and 70% of your kids don't use it. How is VR (or any other tech) fixing that? If you answer is that you'll just always be in charge, great, I have a chalkboard for you, that you will still be in charge of. The point was to offload admin tasks, wasn't it? How's that working out?
You would love to be married to a Latina, so you can go to the grocery 23 times a week. I don't find "not solving the problem" fun at all, regardless of VR. (No shite, ex mother in law cooks the same thing every Thanksgiving, but sent her husband to shitehole Kroger five times in a single day for forgotten items.)
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