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Failover router
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:31 am
I ordered Starlink back in Feb. with projected delivery mid to end of 2021. I have been monitoring the space.sx site and it looks like I will have drops for about 10 seconds several times a day. I know this is expected to get better as more satellites are launched.
How does failover actually work? Is it like a reboot taking 30 seconds? If yes, I would likely be connected to another satellite in that amount of time.
Or does it switch more instantaneously so that a zoom call is not dropped?
I am just trying to understand if failover could potentially help. It would be simple home use, so not necessary to keep a business network running.
Thanks
How does failover actually work? Is it like a reboot taking 30 seconds? If yes, I would likely be connected to another satellite in that amount of time.
Or does it switch more instantaneously so that a zoom call is not dropped?
I am just trying to understand if failover could potentially help. It would be simple home use, so not necessary to keep a business network running.
Thanks
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:36 am to roobedoo
I should add my current internet is lte radio feed from water tower. When it is working I get about 20 mg down.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:23 am to roobedoo
If it's only 10 second disconnects, you'd be better off allowing the Starlink to reconnect instead of failing over to a backup and then have to "re-fail" (what a word) to your primary several times a day.
If most of the Starlink fails happen when you are not streaming, you'll probably not notice them.
If most of the Starlink fails happen when you are not streaming, you'll probably not notice them.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:43 am to roobedoo
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I am just trying to understand if failover could potentially help. It would be simple home use, so not necessary to keep a business network running.
I bought a failover router through my Verizon rep that has a built in Verizon MIFI device. The router was about $600 and I pay $30 a month for the unlimited on my business plan.
SonicWALL TZ series are pretty good entry level router that can provide failover WAN.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:21 am to lsufan1971
Thanks for the reply? If failover is initiated based on lost signal, does the secondary connection kick in instantly, or is there a 10 to 20 second lag?
If there is a lag of 20 seconds, it does not sound that helpful since another satellite would be in range in that timeframe.
If there is a lag of 20 seconds, it does not sound that helpful since another satellite would be in range in that timeframe.
Posted on 8/10/21 at 12:41 pm to roobedoo
I think most (all?) routers that do failover will take some time to do it, probably 15-30 seconds. Usually they just ping a server every few seconds, then switch to the other connection after probably 3 failed pings. Some allow you to configure the timing, but there is usually a lower limit to prevent kicking back and forth all the time. That would be bad because apps would have to keep renegotiating their active connections. That's worse than recovering from a temporary hiccup.
Some routers that do failover will also do load balancing. This would split your connections across the two links, but it won't combine their speed and reliability into a single connection. Rather, the router will choose a link for each app "session". Maybe your zoom call will go over satellite, and maybe netflix will stream over lte. You get more total throughput, but not for a single app connection, and you are also exposed to twice as many potential connection failures (but on half as many client connections at a time).
Link bonding I believe would speed up a single "session" connection and mostly eliminate the downtime if a link goes down, but I don't even know if that's possible when using two ISPs. I think both ends of the bonded links need to be "aware" of the situation.
It's possible that an app and the server(s) that it connects to could use a load-balanced connection as if it were bonded, but I think it would have to be written specifically to do this in order to handle out-of-order packets that come from different "directions". Maybe Zoom actually does this. Doesn't it work pretty well on mobile when switching from wifi to cellular? Maybe the desktop app handles it pretty well, too.
This is my novice-to-reasonably-knowledgeable understanding of it all, at least.
Some routers that do failover will also do load balancing. This would split your connections across the two links, but it won't combine their speed and reliability into a single connection. Rather, the router will choose a link for each app "session". Maybe your zoom call will go over satellite, and maybe netflix will stream over lte. You get more total throughput, but not for a single app connection, and you are also exposed to twice as many potential connection failures (but on half as many client connections at a time).
Link bonding I believe would speed up a single "session" connection and mostly eliminate the downtime if a link goes down, but I don't even know if that's possible when using two ISPs. I think both ends of the bonded links need to be "aware" of the situation.
It's possible that an app and the server(s) that it connects to could use a load-balanced connection as if it were bonded, but I think it would have to be written specifically to do this in order to handle out-of-order packets that come from different "directions". Maybe Zoom actually does this. Doesn't it work pretty well on mobile when switching from wifi to cellular? Maybe the desktop app handles it pretty well, too.
This is my novice-to-reasonably-knowledgeable understanding of it all, at least.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 5:52 pm to roobedoo
I do this today with a cable modem and DSL connection using a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter. Cable is primary, DSL is backup.
I have a script on the EdgeRouter that sends a ping out each WAN interface every 15 seconds - if either WAN looses internet connectivity, or if the latency gets too high, the interface is marked out-of-service.
The interface script continues to run and when the Internet is restored, or when the latency returns to normal, the interface is put back in-service.
For basic web browsing, it's not really noticeable - though some sites will complain and log out because the WAN IP address changed. YouTube TV doesn't seem to mind it at all.
I run Webex, Teams and Zoom daily and when the connection changes, I get a few seconds of dead air and then it comes back. I do have connection tracking enabled so when WAN connectivity is restored, the connection continues to use the secondary WAN through the remainder of the connection - so no drop when things go back to normal.
I have a script on the EdgeRouter that sends a ping out each WAN interface every 15 seconds - if either WAN looses internet connectivity, or if the latency gets too high, the interface is marked out-of-service.
The interface script continues to run and when the Internet is restored, or when the latency returns to normal, the interface is put back in-service.
For basic web browsing, it's not really noticeable - though some sites will complain and log out because the WAN IP address changed. YouTube TV doesn't seem to mind it at all.
I run Webex, Teams and Zoom daily and when the connection changes, I get a few seconds of dead air and then it comes back. I do have connection tracking enabled so when WAN connectivity is restored, the connection continues to use the secondary WAN through the remainder of the connection - so no drop when things go back to normal.
Posted on 8/12/21 at 5:46 pm to roobedoo
If you’re looking for “instantaneous” failover you’re going to have to use something that does per packet qos across two links. This type of equipment is used primarily in the enterprise, and has the price to match. Typically falls under the SD-WAN category. Look into a Velocloud Edge 510. You have to purchase the appliance plus a license, or run a virtual appliance with license. You’re looking at $1000+ per year.
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