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Extend WiFi on Farm acreage?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:08 am
I have a friend with a farm and acreage where they have limited/spotty cell service. They want to extend WiFi to allow for assisted WiFi calling as well as adding some cameras to monitor the animals and stuff. I've been looking at Ubiquiti products and was thinking of doing some PtP connections in order to accomplish this. I'm not familiar enough with most of those items and was wondering if anyone had some inputs for me to consider. I haven't been up there yet to survey it so idk if it would be possible to try and trench some areas for fiber runs. Hoping to get up there next weekend to check it out.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 12:20 pm
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:24 am to BabySam
Starlink
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:48 am to AUCE05
quote:Not sure how that addresses the problem
Starlink
Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:51 am to BabySam
FYI this location is easy to find on maps with the name of that road there.
Do they have power at multiple locations?
Do they have power at multiple locations?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:26 am to BabySam
Definitely, stuff out there that can do this. Not going to be cheap though
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:48 am to BabySam
Don’t trench fiber
Trench direct burial cat6 cable, not difficult unless you want to get it super deep to avoid farm equipment
Trench direct burial cat6 cable, not difficult unless you want to get it super deep to avoid farm equipment
Posted on 2/4/21 at 11:50 am to wileyjones
quote:If it's more than ~300' you have to trench fiber or go wireless.
Don’t trench fiber
Trench direct burial cat6 cable, not difficult unless you want to get it super deep to avoid farm equipment
Posted on 2/4/21 at 12:31 pm to Korkstand
Kork, expected your comments quickly...lol
i'm not sure of power locations and that's why i'm hoping to get up there next weekend. He mentioned looking at adding solar panels and even could trench to make electrical runs. I just started on this research yesterday so only thing i know is what he's wanting for capabilities/objectives.
He said he was eventually gonna trench a bunch of waterlines up there any way. Said will trench whatever he needs to run fiber and power as needed.
i'm not sure of power locations and that's why i'm hoping to get up there next weekend. He mentioned looking at adding solar panels and even could trench to make electrical runs. I just started on this research yesterday so only thing i know is what he's wanting for capabilities/objectives.
He said he was eventually gonna trench a bunch of waterlines up there any way. Said will trench whatever he needs to run fiber and power as needed.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:11 pm to BabySam
quote:
Ubiquiti products
Thats what i would do if you have power and LOS between the two locations.
You can even buy nanostations pre-bridged on Amazon.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:05 pm to BabySam
Kork is on point. Will an 18" trench be deep enough so it can't be damaged?
Posted on 2/4/21 at 3:17 pm to VABuckeye
Dude has farm equipment up there and a tractor trencher...so was thinking getting it 24-30"...he owns a plumbing company so i will definitely tell him what i know as "recommended" and let him make his choice...
Posted on 2/4/21 at 7:50 pm to BabySam
Recommend having someone bury and turn up fiber (bury conduit and pull fiber imo), but Ubiquiti microwave will be pretty easy, assuming there's power and line of sight.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:26 pm to Hulkklogan
Alright, i finally made a trip out there yesterday. We didn't get as involved as i expected with measuring for trenching cable/power/fiber, but we at least got his inherited NVR accessible via remote access. I've continued to read about additional products and while looking to offer an option that's not ubiquiti, since i tend to favor it, i keep coming back to suggesting it as the solution for what needs to be done.
The plan is to redo the current wifi setup in the house, move/remove/add current cameras on NVR system (LTS brand) as needed, then extend network to a point where a horse barn will be. Goal would then be to get equipment there and test how everything acts, believe we'll run power/cable to that location. Then from there we'll make another run down to the triangle patch that's seen on initial pic posted. From that point it will serve as main junction for extending connectivity.
My main question now, as i've looked further into the airMax nanobeam products, i'm just not familiar enough with it to cover all bases as i propose a solid solution. I read that the airMax line requires the use of UISP to be setup, is that correct? My understanding is that it requires you to add a device within 24hrs of initiating and account and then you must plan to have at minimum 10 devices in UISP. With that said, can anyone refute that? Do i just need UISP to initially make the PTP connection and configuration with the device, then it will be managed within the Controller software? Just don't want to overlook any minute details as i try to plan phase 1 out and build on that for phase 2 and 3. Appreciate any inputs/guidance.
The plan is to redo the current wifi setup in the house, move/remove/add current cameras on NVR system (LTS brand) as needed, then extend network to a point where a horse barn will be. Goal would then be to get equipment there and test how everything acts, believe we'll run power/cable to that location. Then from there we'll make another run down to the triangle patch that's seen on initial pic posted. From that point it will serve as main junction for extending connectivity.
My main question now, as i've looked further into the airMax nanobeam products, i'm just not familiar enough with it to cover all bases as i propose a solid solution. I read that the airMax line requires the use of UISP to be setup, is that correct? My understanding is that it requires you to add a device within 24hrs of initiating and account and then you must plan to have at minimum 10 devices in UISP. With that said, can anyone refute that? Do i just need UISP to initially make the PTP connection and configuration with the device, then it will be managed within the Controller software? Just don't want to overlook any minute details as i try to plan phase 1 out and build on that for phase 2 and 3. Appreciate any inputs/guidance.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:03 pm to BabySam
quote:I don't think so. I know that UISP is their relatively new replacement for UNMS, but I'm very nearly 100% sure that you can use these devices standalone with no cloud management or even no ubiquiti account. I've set up several of these devices, and they are all configurable via their own local web UI.
I read that the airMax line requires the use of UISP to be setup, is that correct?
For nanobeams and nanostations at least, the basic process is as follows:
1. plug one unit into the network
2. figure out its IP, load it in the browser, login with default ubnt/ubnt (usually)
3. give it a static IP outside of the router's dhcp range (it might reboot after this)
4. give it a network name/password
5. put it in "AP" (access point) mode, and enable WDS (transparent bridge)
Repeat the same process with the other unit, except give it a different static IP and put it in "station" mode + WDS. The unit in AP mode goes on the router end, and the unit in station mode goes on the remote end.
6. Mount them and point them at each other.
7. Profit
I'm really not sure if WDS mode is necessary, but I believe it reduces a bit of overhead and makes the wireless link act just like a cable, as if they aren't even there.
All of this is done locally on the device with no cloud services required. I think the stuff you've read about UISP is for people using these to run WISPs and they need to manage them remotely.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:10 pm to BabySam
Where on that map are you trying to get WiFi? Can you mark it up? Give us scale and power locations.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 7:30 am to TAMU-93
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:03 am to TAMU-93
@Kork, thanks for that info that is what i've seen as the steps and general approach for a PTP. Was just unsure if the whole UISP (fka UNMS) requirements would impact for personal use, since it's all geared towards their ISP line.
@TAMU-93, will add that as soon as i get an already marked up pic from buddy which is also more recent to show areas of trees that have been cleared since pic in my initial post.
ETA the pic provided:
white - house and internet
yellow - planned hops for extending network/wifi
red - hunting stands where wifi is needed
green - anticipated need for wifi and adding cameras for monitoring water supply and animals
@TAMU-93, will add that as soon as i get an already marked up pic from buddy which is also more recent to show areas of trees that have been cleared since pic in my initial post.
ETA the pic provided:
white - house and internet
yellow - planned hops for extending network/wifi
red - hunting stands where wifi is needed
green - anticipated need for wifi and adding cameras for monitoring water supply and animals
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/15/21 at 10:51 am to Jax-Tiger
quote:Yeah you could try a powerline adapter, I think the tech has improved in recent years and speeds are getting better. Results vary depending on your electric setup. If the buildings have their own meters it probably won't work. They work best if you put them on the same circuit. Long runs like on this property here it might not work at all.
Here's a video of a guy who did just this.
Get Internet in your barn
Real-world speed tests:
quote:
I have 4 TPLink av2000 adapters.
In my fairly new house (200x), I get (measured with iperf3):
On the same breaker: 500mbps
On the same leg, different breaker: 250mbps
Different leg/breaker: 90mbps.
House to detached garage (longer distance, same leg, different breaker): 50mbps
Now, you may think, "Well, that's not too bad!" But there are problems.
If our dryer is running, speed drops to (not by, to) 10% of normal. This is a serious problem for powerline, and it's not just dryers or even things actually plugged in directly. Powerline is basically wifi but using the power wires as an antenna. But those wires are unshielded, and untwisted. This leaves them VERY vulnerable to interference, which ends up requiring lots of resent packets which drags down speeds, but worse, increases latency significantly.
If too many simultaneous connections are made, even at low speeds such as running a torrent client, bufferbloat strikes and latency can run upwards of 3 full seconds.
Speeds you get are typically sum-of-whole-network speeds. This doesn't matter if you're the only user, but I've found if you have multiple users even on totally different adapters, you burn through bandwidth VERY quickly.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:28 am to Korkstand
Yeah, i have considered the powerline route, but if he's going to trench power then may as well drop in wired backbone as far as you can. I have a gig powerline adapter for my shed as well and only get 100mb connection cause it's on separate section and breaker
Posted on 2/15/21 at 11:34 am to Korkstand
quote:
Results vary depending on your electric setup.
Okay. I was considering doing this for my garage based wifi from the thread we had the other day. Same thing, but in reverse - Modem in the garage, but use the powerline to get wifi in the house. I know it is all on the same meter and the the two buildings are only 20 feet apart. The Google hockey pucks worked okay until one stopped working.
I got the new Orbi wifi and it is working like a champ, and my speeds tripled all over the house and I have no dead zones. Even in the most remote area of the basement I get 130 mps down and on the side of the house closest to the garage, I get 230 mps down - I think I'm paying for 200 mps, so that's a surprise. So jumping between buildings is possible with a mesh network, as long as the jump isn't too far and the routers are appropriate for the building size.
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