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re: CAT 5 vs. WiFi 7

Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:56 am to
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:56 am to
Great point and one I was going to make earlier in the thread. That E commerce site? They’re going to throttle so they can have more customers online shopping. If anyone think they’re giving you 1 gig speed to access I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:12 pm to
I think it's funny that ISPs are in a dick-waving war to offer faster speeds but then we aren't supposed to do the one thing that could possibly utilize all of it.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38546 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:31 pm to
quote:

Will, to answer your question no. Wi-Fi has become so fast and reliable there is zero reason to deal with the cost and mess of retrofitting category wiring in a house.


This would be a retrofit, and having to deal with a fire block, I wouldn't want to tackle it myself.

I appreciate everyone's responses --- WiFi 6e or 7 it is!
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
12919 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:34 pm to
quote:

This would be a retrofit,
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I wouldn't want to tackle it myself.



ETA: same here. I have fiber to the home at 1 GB with old cat 5e cabling, and have been considering a similar upgrade. Would only need cable upgrades from outside box to the one access point in my house, my study/computer room (not every room in the house). Internet comes to my computer room, then it is wifi everywhere else, except for a hard wire run to my home theater.

Have been considering upgrading to Cat 6e or 8, since I'm not doing my whole house, and then I'll have the infrastructure in place for wifi 7.

What do you think?
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 11:42 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17998 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:06 am to
Cat5e can do 2.5Gbps. what would replacing it gain you in your scenario? Do you need PoE?
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
12919 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:54 am to
I didn’t realize Cat 5e was good for 2.5 Gbps. So your are right…..wouldn’t be worth it. I do not need PoE.

ETA: thank you
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 11:55 am
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35557 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:31 pm to
Realize that to hit that speed you need a router/switch capable of the speed and if your laptop or PC only has a 1 gig network port you will also need to install a network card to hit that speed. If you have a laptop it may not be a simple solution or even possible at all. If your have a newer PC there is a better chance that it alreaady has the capability.

As indicated upstream in the thread the speed is probably moot as you won't be receiving data at a speed that matches your internal network speed.

Article about 2.5G speed

Please note that the article concludes that you really aren't going to get that speed anyway as it is a theoretical speed so spending the money on the hardware may not be a good investment.
This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted by BoudreauxsCousin
Member since May 2011
183 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:16 am to
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With WiFi 7 coming in 2024, does it even make sense to contemplate replacing the existing CAT 5 with CAT 6/6e for a house?


Wireless, no matter how reliable, is always subject to RF interference. I spent a large part of my career planning and implementing wireless in "dirty" RF environments (hotels and conference facilities in urban centers). Your house will never come as close to as crappy as these places when dealing with wireless signal in unlicensed spectrum.

That said, Cat5 (not Cat5e or later) is spec'd to 100Mbits at 100M. This is fine for a few users streaming simultaneously provided you've got good terminations and switching. If you're moving large amounts of data from place to place--gigabits of data between here and there frequently and in a hurry--100Mbps isn't going to do it. But, use of that cabling in conjunction with good wireless signal, you should be fine in a home environment.

Because this thread will likely devolve into dick-waving and "ackshully", I will tell you that I ran a fiber backbone in my house and have 10Gbps between managed switches in three locations. I use wireless APs with a minimum of 2.5Gbps backhaul (one with 5Gbps) that can manage hundreds of users simultaneously, in a house of 4 people.

Because I'm a baller.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27359 posts
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:02 am to
quote:

With WiFi 7 coming in 2024, does it even make sense to contemplate replacing the existing CAT 5 with CAT 6/6e for a house?


Stability, privacy, and reliability.
Posted by TigerTerd
Member since Sep 2010
2659 posts
Posted on 3/21/23 at 4:00 pm to
If you were building a residential home, what would be your setup preference?
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27359 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 2:21 am to
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With WiFi 7 coming in 2024, does it even make sense to contemplate replacing the existing CAT 5 with CAT 6/6e for a house?



It's always a good idea to future-proof your home network to some extent, but whether it's worth replacing existing CAT 5 cabling with CAT 6/6e for a house depends on a few factors.

First, it's important to note that while WiFi 7 may offer faster speeds and lower latency than previous WiFi standards, it will still depend on a wired Ethernet connection to provide maximum performance. So, if you're planning to use WiFi 7, it's still important to have a reliable and fast wired network in place.

Second, CAT 5 cabling can support speeds up to 1000 Mbps, which is still plenty fast for most home internet connections. If you're not planning to upgrade your internet plan anytime soon, you may not see a significant improvement in performance by upgrading to CAT 6/6e.

That being said, there are some benefits to upgrading to CAT 6/6e cabling if you're planning to install new network equipment or devices. CAT 6/6e cabling can support faster speeds and higher bandwidth than CAT 5, which can be beneficial if you're planning to transfer large files or stream high-definition video. Additionally, CAT 6/6e cabling is better shielded than CAT 5, which can reduce interference and improve signal quality.

Overall, whether it makes sense to upgrade to CAT 6/6e cabling for a house depends on your specific needs and budget. If you're planning to use WiFi 7 or other high-speed networking equipment, upgrading to CAT 6/6e cabling may be worthwhile. However, if you're happy with your current internet speeds and don't plan to upgrade your networking equipment anytime soon, sticking with CAT 5 cabling should be sufficient.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:36 am to
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NPComb
Are you just a chatGPT bot now?
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
898 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:57 am to
I asked ChatGPT if it generated NPComb's reply, and it ratted him out!

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Yes, I generated the text you provided in your question. The text discusses whether it's worth upgrading from Cat 5 cabling to Cat 6/6e cabling for a home network, taking into account factors such as the expected performance of WiFi 7, the current internet speeds, and the specific needs and budget of the user. The text notes that while Cat 5 cabling can still support speeds up to 1000 Mbps and may be sufficient for most home internet connections, upgrading to Cat 6/6e cabling can offer faster speeds, higher bandwidth, and better shielding from interference. Ultimately, the decision to upgrade will depend on individual circumstances and preferences.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 9:57 am
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27359 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
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Are you just a chatGPT bot now?


So it was you, you SOB. I got a ping from an Admin


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 12:00 pm to
It wasn't me but that's funny
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27359 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 3:38 pm to





Probably Fred being an arse
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57442 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:09 pm to
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I own a cabling company.

so you dont know anything about it.... Let your tech that does all the work get on and talk in this thread.....









Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35557 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:56 pm to
STFU. I’ve forgotten more about category cabling than you’ll ever know.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57442 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:13 am to
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STFU. I’ve forgotten more about category cabling than you’ll ever know.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6427 posts
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:23 pm to
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Stability, privacy, and reliability.


Underrated. Back in the day you could put 40+ people on a T-1 (1.544 Mbps) or an OC-3 (155Mbps) with no issues. Now, we have homeowners worrying about Gig vs. Multi-Gig Internet connections and infrastructure? If you don't have a NAS that is streaming HD to 9 devices at once, it's a non issue to upgrade to Cat6. What *isn't* Cat 5 doing for you? I mean, I could upgrade my NAS with 10Gbe, but to what end?

Wireless site surveys are under-rated. You have to take into account what is in the walls (aluminum chimneys, fireplaces, leaky microwaves (at least on 2.4Ghz), HVAC ducting, etc.)

All of your devices will certainly not support WiFi 7 for at least a year anyway. Also, check the prices for WiFi 7 routers and access points. The prices are mind boggling.
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