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Battery Powered Wifi Thermostat

Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:30 pm
So I bought a standard wifi thermostat on Amazon that requires a C wire. I checked beforehand and there's definitely a black wire plugged into the C slot on my existing thermostat so I assumed it'd work. Tried to install the thermostat and it never powered up. My existing thermostat also has a battery compartment and doesn't work without the batteries so I'm assuming the C wire has lost functionality? Does anyone know any smart thermostats I can use without a C wire? I rent so anything where I could install just inside the apartment and not have to mess with the central units would be best. Thanks.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78075 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:33 pm to
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so I'm assuming the C wire has lost functionality?


no, its probably not connected at the other end if it wasn't in use before.

open your outdoor compressor (or furnace in the attic if you have a separate unit) and you'll just need to unscrew the wire nut and attach it. its generally pretty easy to spot; you'll need to locate the circuitboard.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21309 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:36 pm to
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no, its probably not connected at the other end if it wasn't in use before.

open your outdoor compressor (or furnace in the attic if you have a separate unit) and you'll just need to unscrew the wire nut and attach it. its generally pretty easy to spot; you'll need to locate the circuitboard.



I'll need to do some investigating. It's an apartment so I'm not sure I'll have access to any of this.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:40 pm to
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It's an apartment so I'm not sure I'll have access to any of this.


oh well dang. yeah you may not. try taking a peek in the closet anyway if your unit is in there. its literally takes about 5 seconds to attach it..assuming the circuitboard is behind the main panel you remove which it typically is.

the ciricuitboard should even have 'C' printed on it so you know where to connect it.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:49 pm to
Slip a$29to the maintenance dude to have him take care of it
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21309 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:54 pm to
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Slip a$29to the maintenance dude to have him take care of it


Only problem is they won't do their job. Contacted the property manager about installing this new thermostat 10 months ago. Repeatedly.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78075 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:59 pm to
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Contacted the property manager about installing this new thermostat 10 months ago


ISTR generally apartments have the units in a closet that you have access to. that's your break point.

even if you didn't have a c-wire at all, adding a venstar or some 'add-a-wire' kit requires access to both the thermostat wiring and the actual main unit so that's not an option.

i think there are a few battery-operated smart stats out there and to be honest, they're all about the same anyway so you don't need a fancy nest or ecobee to do 99% of what you want.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21309 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:06 pm to
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ISTR generally apartments have the units in a closet that you have access to. that's your break point.

even if you didn't have a c-wire at all, adding a venstar or some 'add-a-wire' kit requires access to both the thermostat wiring and the actual main unit so that's not an option.

i think there are a few battery-operated smart stats out there and to be honest, they're all about the same anyway so you don't need a fancy nest or ecobee to do 99% of what you want.




I believe there's a cabinet or something in my kitchen above the cabinets. I'll fish around there tonight to see if it has the components you mentioned. I live in an old house in New Orleans so dealing with wiring, vents, all the guts of the house is always a crap shoot for what means and methods they used to build it. I can't use my smart switches from when I moved because the house is so old that the existing switches don't have a neutral wire. I know they make 2 wire smart switches but I haven't quite gotten around to getting some of those yet. The worst part about the current setup tho is the lights and fan are on the same switch and can only be differentiated other than on/off by the pull chord which obviously defeats the purpose of home automation.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78075 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:34 pm to
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The worst part about the current setup tho is the lights and fan are on the same switch and can only be differentiated other than on/off by the pull chord which obviously defeats the purpose of home automation.


if you have hue you can buy some cheap candelabra bulbs from ikea $7/each and at least turn the lights on/off/dim independent of the fan. of course if you turn the power to the fan off at the switch, there go the lights too.

in your situation; i'd want to stick with smart bulbs as much as possible so can take them with you when you move.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21309 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:13 pm to
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if you have hue you can buy some cheap candelabra bulbs from ikea $7/each and at least turn the lights on/off/dim independent of the fan. of course if you turn the power to the fan off at the switch, there go the lights too.

in your situation; i'd want to stick with smart bulbs as much as possible so can take them with you when you move.



Yup. Came to that realization pretty quickly after I was looking into smart bulbs. I think my next investment will be those. Unfortunately my existing ceiling fans all use 4 bulbs a piece!. My old one I'm pretty sure used just two or possibly even one (it had a difuser over it and I never had to change bulbs so I never looked). So if I wanted to keep it looking even and symmetrical I'd have to buy 4 smart bulbs per room which kind've sucks. I put in a lamp that's on a smart switch so that provides the light to my living room now. I may add a two wire smart switch just to control the fan and leave the lighting to be solely controlled by the lamp.

ETA: Could you link some of those bulbs?
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78075 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 3:32 pm to
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ETA: Could you link some of those bulbs?


LINK

eta i bought 12 and they are rock solid so far.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 3:33 pm
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33891 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:46 pm to
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eta i bought 12 and they are rock solid so far.


Bought 10. Currently using 8 through my lightify hub with no issues.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78075 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:48 pm to
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through my lightify hub with no issues.


interesting. i bought one from mctiger but only used it to pair my lightify bulbs in hopes it would trigger a firmware update.

so far nothing. didn't realize you could hook these bulbs to that hub.

Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33891 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:19 pm to
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interesting. i bought one from mctiger but only used it to pair my lightify bulbs in hopes it would trigger a firmware update.

so far nothing. didn't realize you could hook these bulbs to that hub.


I'm almost finished putting our house back together so I don't have the Wink1 hub reinstalled yet. All of those lights as well as the GE link bulbs connected and they respond so much faster than they did on Wink.

Started out with lightify for the led strips and ended up splicing up the wiring for a generic led strip my son had and got it to work as well.

ETA:

Not sure what I'm gonna do when we get back in the house.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 5:21 pm
Posted by pongze
IE, SoCal
Member since Nov 2007
1713 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:07 am to
Prior to switching to ecobees, I had a bunch of z-wave thermostats installed that could run on battery or via a C wire. I forget the name of them, but got them through Vivint, my alarm company. Because they are z-wave, at least when battery powered, they only communicate via the zwave mesh on command, so it can take a moment to connect. And you need something like wink or another smarthub for it.
Posted by mctiger1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3693 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 6:59 am to
CAD, did you say you paired the Lightify bulbs to Hue? I thought it was possible, but have had no luck. I did read some steps to possibly try, but it's way more complicated than I had hoped.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17134 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:54 am to
How often do you have to switch out batteries on the wifi thermos?
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33891 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 8:59 am to
My inlaws have the 2nd gen Nest and they didn't need a C wire. It has internal jumpers and low power consumption.

They claim that rarely do the heating and cooling wires not have enough power to make it work without a C.
Posted by pongze
IE, SoCal
Member since Nov 2007
1713 posts
Posted on 4/17/18 at 10:18 am to
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How often do you have to switch out batteries on the wifi thermos?


It seemed to vary based on how far the thermostat was from the hub, although that didn’t quite make sense to me since it communicated through the zwave mesh. However, one that I had the furthest from the hub, partially behind a bookcase, would die quickly. I switched the radio unit on it to the other side, closer to the hub and less obstructed by the bookcase and that actually made a difference in battery life. In general, though, if I am remembering correctly, I would get a good 6 or more months out of 3 AA batteries per unit. I think they were these, although I thought that it was the CT 100 or 101 but they don’t look the same. Old technology, though. Newer ones are better
Posted by taylork37
Member since Mar 2010
15327 posts
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:29 am to
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Tried to install the thermostat and it never powered up.


I was dumb and ruined a brand new nest because I didnt cut the breaker on the furnace before installing. With that said maybe your C wire is hot and you blew something on your new thermostat and now it can't turn on. Just a thought.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:32 am
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