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notsince98
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basic PoE AP
any recommendations for a basic (2.4Ghz N is fine) PoE ceiling mounted access point that would play nice with my Arris BGW210-700? CAT6 is already run to the location.

I would also need suggestions on a PoE power supply to install at the router if the AP doesn't come with one.


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I use Ubiquiti UniFi UAP-Pro behind that router without a problem. I have used it both with that as the main router and DHCP server and, more recently, with essentially all function on that router turned off and passing through it as the backup/fail safe line for my USG. It works fine.



Other considerations:
If you like ugly access points
If you’re sadistic and want to have to look up how do to essentially any function in their forums
But I would probably just recommend This one which comes with mounting hardware and a PoE injector.


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re: basic PoE AP
is there anything specific to look for to guarantee the AP will do handoffs with the router properly?


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handoffs with the router properly



Wait. You want to leave the WiFi feature on the router on and add a 3rd party AP to be able to roam/hand off seamlessly?


I don’t think there is anything that is going to do that reliably.


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yes. This AP will just be for the upstairs level. Router already provides excellent coverage for basement and lower levels.


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This is what At&t offers but it isn't PoE nor ceiling mounted:

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I guess I am looking for a WiFi mesh extender and not an access point. Is that correct?
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I have done a mixed brand wifi network and it was fine. You can use the same SSID (or different, whatever you like) and password, but different channels, and the mobile devices will just choose which they like. Handoffs aren't "seamless" but you hardly notice. Aside from maybe wifi calls which might hiccup. Protocols are resilient, they expect intermittent connectivity.


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I’ve had them work both well and poorly when using multiple routers in WAP mode. My best results came when I split into 2 SSID and changed (sometimes automatically, sometimes manually) when performance wasn’t great.



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I’ve had them work both well and poorly when using multiple routers in WAP mode. My best results came when I split into 2 SSID and changed (sometimes automatically, sometimes manually) when performance wasn’t great.


I tried to set this up in my home a while back to poor results. Had an ASUS AP in my office near the modem on the edge of the house and had a spare Linksys router in WAP mode I tried to put on the other edge of the house. Half of the time I was connected to the wrong one and barely getting any signal. Splitting them into different SSIDs worked a lot better.

In the end I got a Ubiquiti UniFi and ceiling-mounted it in the hallway in a central location and couldn't be happier with the results


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yes. This AP will just be for the upstairs level. Router already provides excellent coverage for basement and lower levels.


yes it will work fine. Just assign the same SSID and security.


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Korkstand
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In the end I got a Ubiquiti UniFi and ceiling-mounted it in the hallway in a central location and couldn't be happier with the results

For those curious, in my experience a single Unifi AP mounted on the ceiling reaches 50% further or up to twice as far (depending on the model) as even the high end consumer wifi routers (nighthawk etc) with speeds to match. If it is at all possible to run a cable from your router up into the attic and over to a nice central location, do it. You won't be sorry, and you won't even notice it up there.


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Korkstand
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I’ve had them work both well and poorly when using multiple routers in WAP mode. My best results came when I split into 2 SSID and changed (sometimes automatically, sometimes manually) when performance wasn’t great.
So in order to achieve an *almost* seamless handoff, both the wifi network controller and the client(s) must support one or more of 802.11k/r/v, preferably all three I guess.


The k standard involves the client maintaining a list of available APs and signal strengths so that it can hop to a better one before the signal gets very bad (lots of devices like to hang on to the same AP way too long).

The r standard deals with speeding up the authentication process.

The v standard involves sharing of data related to network topology for load balancing, etc.


My descriptions are probably a bit wrong because honestly I'm a little confused by it all. And I have no idea if each manufacturer's implementations are perfect and compatible with each other, or how that would even work with a controller involved.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that "seamless" handoff is a kind of enterprise-y feature (my unifi controller only has "fast roaming" 802.11r, no mention of k or v), and for a home network I *think* your experience will depend more on how well your client device(s) handle AP switching more than whatever roaming features your wifi might support.



ETA: Also, networking is obviously a two-way street, so sometimes what will happen is a higher powered AP will kind of drown out a lower powered one. This can be a problem because a client device might see the stronger signal from the more distant AP and connect to it, but the client itself may not have the power to talk back to that AP effectively. It would be better to turn the power down so the client would choose the closer AP and have a better overall experience.
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This can be a problem because a client device might see the stronger signal from the more distant AP and connect to it, but the client itself may not have the power to talk back to that AP effectively.


This is probably a much more common issue than most people realize. It's one of the ways mesh solves connection problems. When your AP is lower power and closer to the device it's much easier for smaller cheap wifi devices to actually talk back to the AP.


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It never works as you expect. Your device will stay connected to the original AP until there is almost zero signal.

I help clients all the time at their house that do this exact mistake with multiple APs pushing out the same SSID and password.

Either use different SSIDs and manually switch to the better AP or use mesh/Unifi type setup where the APs talk to each other and do the handoffs.


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Either use different SSIDs and manually switch to the better AP or use mesh/Unifi type setup where the APs talk to each other and do the handoffs.




Does that require the extender and base access point to be the same manufacturer?


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Does that require the extender and base access point to be the same manufacturer?
I believe so, because afaik controller software needs to be involved to coordinate the APs. In a Unifi setup, the controller runs on a standalone device. In a mesh setup, I imagine the main router/unit handles it.

And I'm pretty sure the client device *also* needs to support the roaming standard(s). The client needs to be aware enough to "take the hint" and switch to another AP, in a sense. When it comes down to it, the client device is in charge of its own networking stack.


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Does that require the extender and base access point to be the same manufacturer?



Clarification since you are pretty much asking for one question for two scenarios:

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use mesh/Unifi type setup where the APs talk to each other and do the handoffs.


See above

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use different SSIDs and manually switch to the better AP



Use as many different brands of routers/AP you want.


I used to use a Cisco VIP router that didn’t have WiFi with an AirPort Extreme and a linksys ea4500 in my old place.


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notsince98
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believe so, because afaik controller software needs to be involved to coordinate the APs. In a Unifi setup, the controller runs on a standalone device. In a mesh setup, I imagine the main router/unit handles it.

And I'm pretty sure the client device *also* needs to support the roaming standard(s). The client needs to be aware enough to "take the hint" and switch to another AP, in a sense. When it comes down to it, the client device is in charge of its own networking stack.


That is what I figured. So I need to either get the att extender to work with my current router or disable my router wifi and get a standalone AP with a mesh extender too.

Thanks.


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