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Anybody know anything about wireless routers?

Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:25 am
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:25 am
I just bought a TP-Link Archer AX3000 (AX50) earlier this year to take advantage of my upgraded gigabit internet speed.

I’m having a new house built and the house comes with an Eero Pro 6 mesh WiFi system.

Is the Eero Pro 6 supposed to be better than the Archer AX3000/AX50? Having trouble finding information online that answers my question.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 11:51 am
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 12:09 pm to
I'm no expert, but one is a router and one is a mesh system. So better is relative, but the Eero will probably be better for reaching all corners of your house.

The pro 6 is good, I have it. It replaced an older Orbi mesh system and has been a very big improvement. The only downside is that it's Amazon-owned, but whatever.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 2:05 pm to
A mesh system is, simplified, a series of Access Points that basically act as one device (more or less) so that you can migrate from area to area within a mesh, jump from device to device, without loss of connectivity while also covering a wide range of space.

The Eero Pro 6 is gigabit rated and Wi-Fi 6, as is your Archer AX3000.

If the house is large enough to warrant a mesh, I'd use that - especially if you plan on utilizing the internet in all portions of the house. If you only plan on having it in a couple of locations that are relatively close, the Archer may be better.

Construction of the house can also play a part. Certain materials can weaken or block Wi-Fi signals, though in modern homes this is rarely an issue
Posted by TAMU-93
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 4:05 pm to
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I’m having a new house built and the house comes with an Eero Pro 6 mesh WiFi system.


That's odd.

If you're building, you should have your house wired for ethernet. Ethernet is superior to WiFi. And, wired access points are superior to mesh access points.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 4:14 pm to
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That's odd.

If you're building, you should have your house wired for ethernet. Ethernet is superior to WiFi. And, wired access points are superior to mesh access points.


I mean, surely it has Ethernet. This particular builder just adds in smart tech to the home as a standard practice. Ring doorbell, Eero pro, security cameras, smart garage door opener, smart thermostat, etc.

But I don’t really know what I’m talking about overall lol. Networking stuff is mostly over my head.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 4:45 pm to
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Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 1:43 pm to
It's a good point though. Getting it wired for ethernet/access points will make life much easier in the long run. It may not matter given future tech and how well mesh works in your home, but it's got to be a negligible cost to add during a build.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 9:59 am to
I believe each room has an Ethernet jack and cable connection combo. Is that what y’all are talking about?

Like this:


This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 10:06 am
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:57 am to
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If you're building, you should have your house wired for ethernet. Ethernet is superior to WiFi. And, wired access points are superior to mesh access points.


Keep in mind, of course, that tablets and cell phones won't make use of the Ethernet jacks. So if your family likes their tablets, the mesh will definitely get utilized a lot.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:02 pm to
I think we're throwing around the word "mesh" too loosely. Since the house will be wired, the Eero units should be plugged in to use wired backhaul and the "mesh" functionality won't be required. It will just work like a standard multi-AP setup.

That said, being mesh-capable may come in handy, though many "standard" APs (like UniFi ones) are also mesh-capable.
Posted by hometownhero89
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:32 pm to
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I’m having a new house built and the house comes with an Eero Pro 6 mesh WiFi system


Sell that shite and just get them to run cat6e throughout the house and you should be good for at least a decade.
Posted by hometownhero89
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:34 pm to
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Keep in mind, of course, that tablets and cell phones won't make use of the Ethernet jacks. So if your family likes their tablets, the mesh will definitely get utilized a lot.



Then situate the router near the main living room or get the electrical plug wifi extenders to extend the broadcast range.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:54 pm to
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get the electrical plug wifi extenders to extend the broadcast range.
This is the worst possible advice for a home that will have cat5 throughout.
Posted by hometownhero89
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:22 pm to
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This is the worst possible advice for a home that will have cat5 throughout.



Was addressing wifi concerns for the mobile devices. Cheap alternative that works. Don't see how it's the worst possible advice.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:34 pm to
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Don't see how it's the worst possible advice.
Because the house is wired with cat5. Why would you not utilize that and install a real wifi access point with wired backhaul?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 5:16 pm to
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I think we're throwing around the word "mesh" too loosely. Since the house will be wired, the Eero units should be plugged in to use wired backhaul and the "mesh" functionality won't be required. It will just work like a standard multi-AP setup.
So you’re saying I should plug in the units into the Ethernet jacks around the house instead of using them wirelessly?

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That said, being mesh-capable may come in handy, though many "standard" APs (like UniFi ones) are also mesh-capable.
Why would it come in handy if they’re being plugged in? Just curious.

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Because the house is wired with cat5. Why would you not utilize that and install a real wifi access point with wired backhaul?
Educate me on the terms. Does wired backhaul mean the eero device, since it’s plugged in to the Ethernet port, will have a stronger WiFi signal to emit to nearby devices than it would otherwise?
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 5:33 pm
Posted by Ricardo
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:15 pm to
The way I think of it is that your network is composed of a primary router and a repeater that functions like an extension of the router. So for it to work it has to be in constant communication with the primary router. If you have a wired connection between the two, you'll improve your wireless network because you're eliminating a possible source of interference/loss.

Most mesh networks also have ethernet ports you can plug directly into, so for say an office you can plug your work PC into the repeater to get a better connection. Then, you can use your wireless devices like phones/tablets with the improved wifi signal.

Posted by hometownhero89
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:31 pm to
The problem was to address mobile devices like phone or tablets. Don't think they've added ethernet jacks to those.

Dude was looking to expand the broadcast signal radius of his wifi, those are solid cheap alternatives. I didn't ask for specifics on his floors or the area of the house. Then another solution could suffice.

The fact that you're saying with his cat5 he should be fine does not account for wireless devices because it depends on the range of the wifi router he has.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:34 pm to
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The fact that you're saying with his cat5 he should be fine does not account for wireless devices because it depends on the range of the wifi router he has.

I didn't say he should be fine with cat5. I said he should use actual access points plugged into the cat5 instead of the things you recommended.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:48 pm to
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So you’re saying I should plug in the units into the Ethernet jacks around the house instead of using them wirelessly?
That's what I would do.
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Why would it come in handy if they’re being plugged in? Just curious.

In case you want to expand your coverage later without having to run more cable. For example you could put a mesh unit on the back patio and expand your wifi to cover the whole back yard.
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Educate me on the terms. Does wired backhaul mean the eero device, since it’s plugged in to the Ethernet port, will have a stronger WiFi signal to emit to nearby devices than it would otherwise?
It wouldn't put out a stronger signal itself, but it will have a stronger connection back to the main router being wired vs wireless.
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