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We only held serve...
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:15 pm
With all the banging of the drum for Gregg "second youngest roster at the WC x number of players got caps" all he did was hold serve.
His best accomplishment was winning the Gold Cup with a B team.
Mexico is as weak as we have seen in years. Costa Rico's golden generation has aged out. Canada won CONCACAF with a MLS team with three designated players. We failed to win an away game. We had the best roster this country has ever produced. We made it to the knockout round in the weakest group. When you see our team tire out at the end of a game never again should we question ohhh that's just the last few spots on our roster. Any less than making it out of our group was abject failure.
His best accomplishment was winning the Gold Cup with a B team.
Mexico is as weak as we have seen in years. Costa Rico's golden generation has aged out. Canada won CONCACAF with a MLS team with three designated players. We failed to win an away game. We had the best roster this country has ever produced. We made it to the knockout round in the weakest group. When you see our team tire out at the end of a game never again should we question ohhh that's just the last few spots on our roster. Any less than making it out of our group was abject failure.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:25 pm to NewbombII
Now you done it.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:28 pm to NewbombII
But the really important question is whether we changed the way the world views American soccer.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:57 pm to Earnest_P
No, no we didn’t. We got a good condescending pat on the head and told, “stay positive, Yanks”.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 4:43 pm to Earnest_P
Gregg didn't do anything to move the needle in a positive direction.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:00 pm to Earnest_P
We should go around the world and ask them. I said earlier I’m in a group chat with my friends from England and they said no. Actually their collective answer was, “They're better than I remember”. British speak, that’s a condescending no.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 7:54 pm to NewbombII
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Gregg didn't do anything to move the needle in a positive direction.
I don't know if that's true considering what he took over.
He did a good job getting us back on track, now it's time for someone to take over and have unlock our full potential. Would've been nice to have that this cycle, but whatever, it's in the past now, thank Gregg and move on.
We have a talented nucleus in the player pool that has now gained valuable world cup experience. They will be in their prime in 2026 for a World Cup that will be on home soil. Our goal shouldn't be quarterfinals or bust, it should be win or bust. Doesn't mean we will win because we're still behind the world powers and it's obviously fricking hard for even the most talented teams to win it, but it will be the best chance this program may ever have to win it.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:15 pm to Broski
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Our goal shouldn't be quarterfinals or bust, it should be win It all or bust.
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:32 pm to NewbombII
I don’t really get your post. There’s plenty to criticize GGG for (especially the poor offense) but at least get some of the facts right.
We won away at Honduras
Most of those guys are closer to 3rd or 4th string at their position. Some worse than that. The final against Mexico featured Cannon, Sands, Bello, Williamson, Acosta, Lletget, Arriola, Zardes, and Hoppe as starters. Our subs were Busio, Gioacchini, Henry Kessler, Christian Roldan, Shaq Moore, and Sam Vines. None of these dudes are close to being the first backup at their position, except maybe Acosta. Turner and Robinson were the only second choices for the full team at their position. And we still beat Mexico’s A team. Two finals and a qualifying win against the best team in our confederation, who we hadn’t beat in competitive play in 8 years.
Based on what? If we are basing it on Elo ranking (way better system than fifa ranking) then we actually had the highest average ranking for the teams in our group. We had some of the hardest pot 3/4 teams in our group. England made the semis of the last World Cup, the finals of the euros, and have better players than us at every position and it’s a game we arguably should have won.
Rebuilding a team that failed to qualify for the World Cup (something no coach has had to do in the past 30 years), creating the most healthy team dynamic we’ve seen in decades, locking down key (young) dual nationals and possible starters for a decade, qualifying for the WC with the youngest squad in the world by 2 years, same team then becomes the youngest to get out of a group at this World Cup. Two finals and a WC win against Mexico in a calendar year. Everything is trending in the right direction, but I personally think we should move on from GGG and see if we can find a coach who can give us a more dynamic attack.
frick outta here
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We failed to win an away game
We won away at Honduras
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His best accomplishment was winning the Gold Cup with a B team.
Most of those guys are closer to 3rd or 4th string at their position. Some worse than that. The final against Mexico featured Cannon, Sands, Bello, Williamson, Acosta, Lletget, Arriola, Zardes, and Hoppe as starters. Our subs were Busio, Gioacchini, Henry Kessler, Christian Roldan, Shaq Moore, and Sam Vines. None of these dudes are close to being the first backup at their position, except maybe Acosta. Turner and Robinson were the only second choices for the full team at their position. And we still beat Mexico’s A team. Two finals and a qualifying win against the best team in our confederation, who we hadn’t beat in competitive play in 8 years.
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We made it to the knockout round in the weakest group.
Based on what? If we are basing it on Elo ranking (way better system than fifa ranking) then we actually had the highest average ranking for the teams in our group. We had some of the hardest pot 3/4 teams in our group. England made the semis of the last World Cup, the finals of the euros, and have better players than us at every position and it’s a game we arguably should have won.
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His best accomplishment
Rebuilding a team that failed to qualify for the World Cup (something no coach has had to do in the past 30 years), creating the most healthy team dynamic we’ve seen in decades, locking down key (young) dual nationals and possible starters for a decade, qualifying for the WC with the youngest squad in the world by 2 years, same team then becomes the youngest to get out of a group at this World Cup. Two finals and a WC win against Mexico in a calendar year. Everything is trending in the right direction, but I personally think we should move on from GGG and see if we can find a coach who can give us a more dynamic attack.
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Gregg didn't do anything to move the needle in a positive direction.
frick outta here
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:49 pm to cwil177
Ok so we won one away game my mistake. At the World Cup did Gregg move the needle at all? Given our talent level we should of beaten Wales. Getting out of the group should of been a given. We did that and that's it. We now have a Dutch coach calling out our tactical naivety. How did that move the needle... Backwards... Gregg needs to go!
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:54 pm to NewbombII
The youngest team stuff is bs. The whole paradigm of soccer is players play up. From youth soccer up if you're good enough your old enough. If anything it is an indictment of Gregg not preparing his players well enough to get the best out of them.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:06 pm to NewbombII
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From youth soccer up if you're good enough your old enough.
Did you really just compare a 11 year old playing u-14 because he's good to playing in the World Cup?
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If anything it is an indictment of Gregg not preparing his players well enough to get the best out of them.
Holy frick
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:25 pm to Broski
Holy frick did you say Pulisic was too young to play for Chelsea? Did you say Aaronson was too young to play for Leeds? Wes to young to play for Juve. Tyler too young for Leeds. If they are old enough to play in Champions League they are old enough to perform in the World Cup.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:27 pm to Broski
quote:If this kind of change is going to happen, when would it typically occur?
but whatever, it's in the past now, thank Gregg and move on.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:37 pm to MOT
Berhalter’s contract is up either at the end of the World Cup proper or the end of the year. I will not be surprised if he stays on another 4 years. The players seem very happy with him. I wish there were obvious (and available) coaching candidates, but without WCQ it’s kind of a lame time to be the US coach right now (2026 should be lit tho).
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:46 pm to MOT
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If this kind of change is going to happen, when would it typically occur?
We have friendlies in January, so before that.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:47 pm to NewbombII
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Holy frick did you say Pulisic was too young to play for Chelsea?
You missed the point in impressive fashion.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 4:40 am to Broski
No you did.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:27 pm to NewbombII
Your brag about an away win was against a concacaf nonqualifier. And a reminder we came in second in qualifying to that team north of the border that is essentially a MLS team with three designated players. But my points go to Gregg's stated objective to change how the world views US Soccer. Again he didn't move the needle forward he moved it backwards at the World Cup. His insistence on playing MLSers like Shaq Moore when Joe Scally was available. Not bringing Pefok or Pepi to play Jesus. Your playing a 5'6" player at the 9 when your "system" generated 90 crosses into the box is ridiculous. Not playing Gio until he was basically forced to makes it look like he prefers MLSers to players from the Bundesliga. Perhaps we need to also revisit the sham hiring process for Gregg.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:42 pm to NewbombII
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Again he didn't move the needle forward he moved it backwards at the World Cup
If it moved at all it probably moved forwards based off how we played vs England. They are barely underdogs against France and we played well against them
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