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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. Glorified Ditch | Gold Cup | Semifinals | 6:30pm CT (FS1)
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:15 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:15 pm to McCaigBro69
There are exceptions but most Americans still in MLS by age 25 are 3rd tier national team guys at best. You can say the same for Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc. No western hemisphere league can compete with the top leagues in Europe. Best case for the US is that our domestic league creates enough talent to send 30-50 guys to Europe that make up our talent pool with occasional youngsters breaking in from MLS. We’re a lot closer to that goal now than we were even 6 years ago
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:16 pm to bad93ex
Well it needs to start making a profit for starters 
Don and he’s circle can only keep this game up for so long
You are right tho, what we just saw is a referendum on the league
Don and he’s circle can only keep this game up for so long
You are right tho, what we just saw is a referendum on the league
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:16 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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For the league to be good enough that the players can stay in it without stunting their growth. It’s pretty straightforward.
You think MLS, a league only 30 years old with an academy system in its infancy, is going to rival Europe in player development anytime soon? Let’s be realistic.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:18 pm to hendersonshands
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MLS is doing the job by creating the talent pool and much like other leagues in the western hemisphere, they sell their best talents. If Argentina played in tournaments with just players that play in Argentina, they’d get their arse whipped. But you’re not saying “the Argentine league needs to get better at developing talent” when all of their best players leave for Europe.
This isn’t comparable. Every kid plays soccer in those countries which means there are limitless places for them to play and good coaches to teach them.
In the US, or any high cost of living country, you need a successful domestic league with multiple healthy tiers to have the resources to scout and develop players. Because the US hasn’t had this, we’ve fallen back on the “pay for play” model which has limited the player pool for decades.
Talented young players will get pushed into soccer in Argentina, Brazil, or Uruguay. Talented young players in the US will not if we do not have a strong domestic league because an American child has far more alternatives to soccer available to them than a South American child.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Well it needs to start making a profit for starters
Don and he’s circle can only keep this game up for so long
You are right tho, what we just saw is a referendum on the league
I love how you're just ignoring everyone brining up the success of the youth academies and are instead just hitting you're usual talking points.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:19 pm to cwil177
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Our players need to stay home and make MLS better
Are you drunk?
I’m saying the standard of player who stays home needs to improve big time
If not the league will still suck
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:21 pm to Broski
For the record our "second-tier" Americans include guys like Paxten Aaronson and Taylor Booth who would've instantly been the two of the best players on this roster... but they had more important things than C-team Gold Cup.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I just hope we can all find a woman that loves us as much as SCH hates MLS.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I’m saying the standard of player who stays home needs to improve big time
Ok? I don’t get why you keep harping on this. We all want the standard to improve. But the better players will keep going to Europe and at some point there will be a talent plateau.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:22 pm to Broski
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I love how you're just ignoring everyone brining up the success of the youth academies and are instead just hitting you're usual talking points.
You mean the points I have even posted about on how awesome it is these kids are going straight to Europe and it will help our national team. It’s great
But that’s not the topic. It’s about the standard of player who does not go to Europe but players in our domestic league is awful. They get chances to play for the national team and look like shite
We even have a manager who calls them up for the World Cup
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:22 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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If not the league will still suck
And it really won't matter because our youth academies will continue to churn out European talent, while MLS continues to increase in value.
So who really gives a frick?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:23 pm to Broski
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For the record our "second-tier" Americans include guys like Paxten Aaronson and Taylor Booth who would've instantly been the two of the best players on this roster... but they had more important things than C-team Gold Cup.
Yea well they should have gotten WC call ups over some MLS players then
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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We even have a manager who calls them up for the World Cup
We also have a manager who played an entire Euro-based XI in the World Cup and called up more European-based players per camp than Jurgen Klinsmann.
Feelings over fact though, right?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:24 pm to hendersonshands
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There are exceptions but most Americans still in MLS by age 25 are 3rd tier national team guys at best. You can say the same for Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, etc. No western hemisphere league can compete with the top leagues in Europe. Best case for the US is that our domestic league creates enough talent to send 30-50 guys to Europe that make up our talent pool with occasional youngsters breaking in from MLS. We’re a lot closer to that goal now than we were even 6 years ago
You are speaking to me like I’m a 12-year-old watching their first soccer match that’s completely clueless on the world stage of club soccer.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:25 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Yea well they should have gotten WC call ups over some MLS players then
Huh?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:25 pm to Broski
Fact is he played Jordan Morris in the WC tho….
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:27 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Fact is he played Jordan Morris in the WC tho….
Brazil played an MLS keeper in the World Cup once.
Argentina played an MLS player this past World Cup too (not Messi).
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:27 pm to Broski
Who would you rather call up
Booth or Roldan?
That’s a rhetorical question
Booth or Roldan?
That’s a rhetorical question
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:28 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Are you using a time machine to make this argument from 10 years ago?
Off the top of my head:
Tyler Adams - Red Bull Academy
Westin McKennie - FC Dallas
Ricardo Pepi - FC Dallas
Brenden Aaronson - Philadelphia Union
Paxton Aaronson- Philadelphia Union
Taylor Booth - Real Salt Lake
Gaga Slonina - Chicago
Justin Che - FC Dallas
Gio Reyna - NYCFC
Chris Richards - FC Dallas
Have all come from MLS and we’ve only been trying with academies for like 10 years and only really doing it right for 5.
Off the top of my head:
Tyler Adams - Red Bull Academy
Westin McKennie - FC Dallas
Ricardo Pepi - FC Dallas
Brenden Aaronson - Philadelphia Union
Paxton Aaronson- Philadelphia Union
Taylor Booth - Real Salt Lake
Gaga Slonina - Chicago
Justin Che - FC Dallas
Gio Reyna - NYCFC
Chris Richards - FC Dallas
Have all come from MLS and we’ve only been trying with academies for like 10 years and only really doing it right for 5.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:28 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Booth or Roldan?
Does it really matter if neither play?
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