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Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:10 pm to cwil177
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Klinsmann revisionism will never cease to amaze me.
You kind of make my point. I nor anyone wants Klinsmann back. But thats the point - he beat marque teams - and was a bad coach. Now just imagine we hire a good coach with this crop of players.
We went from bad to worse is what I say. There is zero hopium of us winning or even making final 8 in WC. This generation of great players will have been wasted. And the program set back by decades.
A bad result in WC will be bad for US. Thats when you get watchers who are not following as closely the rest of time. If they see a pathetic US team it will just reinforce their thoughts of no one caring about it. It will take a top 4 minimum finish to have any chance to grow fans. And to not be embarrassed in those games.
Right now after the last WC those fringe fans are laughing when they see last nights result - and to make it worse they see mens team doing what women did - politicizing the team which offends a huge chunk of population.
No one cares about women anymore in fact most want them to lose so they can’t pimp out their politics (me included, I really do want the US women to lose). Men took a step in that direction last night and pretty much lost me as well.
Being its June, I expect these same gay uniforms all month and I won’t watch only catch the scores after. I hope they lose simply to send a message about the coach - and when peeps stop tuning in they might evaluate the gay uniforms if enough fans complain about them. Social media is ablaze about the uniforms.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 2:41 pm to OU Guy
Best case scenario for the next month is getting obliterated in every match the fire Gregg and hire Tuchel or Poch
Yes I know there’s 0.000001% chance that’d ever happen cause we would never pay up
They could become legends if they took the job and had 2 years to prepare for World Cup and then if we had a good showing in the tourney they’d forever be heroes in USA and hell we could let them go back to coaching club teams after the World Cup
Tuchel has always excelled in knockout competitions. I can’t stop laughing thinking about him interacting with USSF higher ups though
Yes I know there’s 0.000001% chance that’d ever happen cause we would never pay up
They could become legends if they took the job and had 2 years to prepare for World Cup and then if we had a good showing in the tourney they’d forever be heroes in USA and hell we could let them go back to coaching club teams after the World Cup
Tuchel has always excelled in knockout competitions. I can’t stop laughing thinking about him interacting with USSF higher ups though
Posted on 6/9/24 at 3:46 pm to 5 Deep
This image says it all on the third goal. We have six guys back and don’t know how to defend 4 players. Absolutely pathetic
At least we are showing our support for a deranged cult though.
At least we are showing our support for a deranged cult though.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 3:53 pm to SUB
Paul Carr on X
"#USMNT hadn't given up five goals in any of its previous 240 games, since the 2009 Gold Cup final vs Mexico.
Before that, it hadn't happened since the 1990 World Cup vs Czechoslovakia."
"#USMNT hadn't given up five goals in any of its previous 240 games, since the 2009 Gold Cup final vs Mexico.
Before that, it hadn't happened since the 1990 World Cup vs Czechoslovakia."
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:42 pm to OU Guy
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OU Guy
If your biggest takeaway from yesterday's match is "I ain't like them homo numbers" - I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:48 pm to NewbombII
2 things:
1. The players looked like they didn't give 2 fricks minus Weah, Jonny and Pulisic.
2. The tactics man.....the tactics.
My Colombian friend who never watches the US said "no one on your team makes a run into the channels?!" I said "Gregg Berhalter, where CF's only drop deep". He's praying they match up against if we get out of the group. I can't blame him.
1. The players looked like they didn't give 2 fricks minus Weah, Jonny and Pulisic.
2. The tactics man.....the tactics.
My Colombian friend who never watches the US said "no one on your team makes a run into the channels?!" I said "Gregg Berhalter, where CF's only drop deep". He's praying they match up against if we get out of the group. I can't blame him.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:50 pm to Sheep
If that’s your takeaway after reading his post, then you need to update your team icon to the aggies.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 5:57 pm to SUB
I guess his other point was "there's no hope to grow soccer fandom in the US"
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:22 pm to UnluckyTiger
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This is the most talent we’ve ever had at the national level and we are pissing it away with Gregg. It’s sad.
I’m no Gregg defender, but the most talent we’ve ever had and we still can’t scrape together a starting 11 filled with guys playing consistently and well in top European leagues.
The best 15-20 teams have a full roster of top 5 euro league players and/or genuine stars from their own domestic leagues.
Our roster doesn’t have that.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:06 pm to UnluckyTiger
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This is the most talent we’ve ever had at the national level
I don't buy that.
Yeah, it's easy to say that because of all the guys we have in Europe, but I think that's a little misleading because euro clubs have realized the marketing bonus that comes with featuring an American.
That wasn't the case in 2002 or 2010 (I still believe those are the two most complete World Cup teams we had in that it was the perfect mix of young, veterans and talent across the board.)
Take our backline for example. Chris Richards has potential, but is he a better CB than what career-MLSer Eddie Pope was for the NT? Nah, not yet.
We definitely have the most talented player the USMNT has ever seen in Pulisic, but our depth is severely lacking in that we don't really have anyone pushing the starters for spots. Think about it, we've been saying for 3 years now how there are constantly 7 or 8 locks for the XI every match. That's not ideal over that long of a period.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:13 pm to Broski
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I don't buy that.
Yeah, it's easy to say that because of all the guys we have in Europe, but I think that's a little misleading because euro clubs have realized the marketing bonus that comes with featuring an American.
That wasn't the case in 2002 or 2010 (I still believe those are the two most complete World Cup teams we had in that it was the perfect mix of young, veterans and talent across the board.)
Take our backline for example. Chris Richards has potential, but is he a better CB than what career-MLSer Eddie Pope was for the NT? Nah, not yet.
We definitely have the most talented player the USMNT has ever seen in Pulisic, but our depth is severely lacking in that we don't really have anyone pushing the starters for spots. Think about it, we've been saying for 3 years now how there are constantly 7 or 8 locks for the XI every match. That's not ideal over that long of a period.
But you fail to look at who we have for coach for this newer crop of players. The interim coach was doing better. Back then in the years you mentioned we had good tactics and coaching as well. One thing we did have back then was best Goalkeepers in the world.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:17 pm to OU Guy
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But you fail to look at who we have for coach for this newer crop of players.
Gregg or any NT coach has zero to do with how players develop.
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The interim coach was doing better.
BJ? Not really. He won Nations League like Gregg did and then looked like a fool in the Gold Cup with inferior talent unlike Gregg, running Gregg's same tactics.
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we had good tactics and coaching as well.
With Bruce 1.0 sure, Bob... meh... it could be a slog with him. He should've beat Ghana.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:41 am to OU Guy
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Now just imagine we hire a good coach with this crop of players.
Who do you think we should hire, assuming GGG gets fired?
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This generation of great players will have been wasted. And the program set back by decades.
This seems incredibly hyperbolic considering we have pretty comfortably won every regional competition our A team played in since 2020. Also, losing a knockout round in the final 16 of the WC to a world soccer power with 100+ more years of taking the sport seriously compared to the US seems about right for where we are right now. Our best players (in 2022) come off the bench for CL teams or sometimes start for relegation level teams. The Netherlands has guys playing star roles for teams competing for EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, and CL titles. Gregg may not be the guy to take this team to the next level, but he has achieved the results that would be expected of him given our current level.
Set back decades? So men’s soccer in this country is where it was in the early 90s? OK
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No one cares about women anymore in fact most want them to lose so they can’t pimp out their politics (me included, I really do want the US women to lose). Men took a step in that direction last night and pretty much lost me as well.
People don’t like the women’s team because their politics suck and they are very outspoken. The lawsuit against USSF on pay was a farce.
Are you saying you want the men to lose now? While I don’t care for the pandering, you realize these guys had nothing to do with the rainbow jerseys, right?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:44 am to etm512
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So I didn’t watch but it looks like we conceded some real shite goals at the end. We were being battered before then or do those last few goals flatter Colombia a little more than it should?
Scuffed did a good rundown of the game. Outside of two gaffes leading to the early goals, we actually looked competitive in the first 60 minutes. Then the mass subs happened and it became Buster Keaton level farcical. The xG was 2.3 to 1 in favor of Colombia.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:51 am to Broski
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We definitely have the most talented player the USMNT has ever seen in Pulisic, but our depth is severely lacking in that we don't really have anyone pushing the starters for spots.
I was thinking about this the other day. Even Pulisic is not nearly as clinical as Donovan and Dempsey. We need guys like that who can drag us to a victory and puli isn’t quite there yet in terms of consistency, and he has a tendency to fade out of matches in a way I don’t remember from D/D. I think this board and many fans seriously undervalue playing consistently for club. Plus, Donovan, Dempsey, Bocanegra, Howard, Cherundolo, Bradley, McBride, Beasley, Gooch, Demerit, etc all played with a chip on their shoulder. They brought an intensity to their matches that I don’t think we’ve seen since then. Maybe part of that is coaching, but I suspect some of it may be the different eras in which these players were brought up.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:13 am to cwil177
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all played with a chip on their shoulder
This is a big part of what carried the US for years while being limited in touch and skill. Teams knew when they played the US you were going to be in a grudge match. It wasn't always pretty but some of those teams with the speed and counterattacking prowess were lethal. We were super compact, organized and hit teams on the counter. We played to our personnel.
Now Gregg/USSF wants us to play like prime Barca without Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc.
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