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Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:05 am to
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:05 am to
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I think a lot on here expect quarterfinals at minimum in WCs,

I don't think anyone is expecting that.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:09 am to
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4. To qualify for the Confederations Cup

5. To breeze through World Cup qualifying

6.


I don't think any US manager would "breeze" through WC qualifying right now (though Jurgy has me doubting whether we qualify at all) or be a lock to be the one team from CONCACAF to qualify for the Confederations Cup.

Also we certainly looked like we belonged at the 2014 World Cup. The team has been bad enough since then to justify a firing. You don't need to disparage the WC performance.
Posted by Dijkstra
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:12 am to
Anyone expecting the quarterfinals for us is fooling themselves. That's a great goal to set moving forward, but even great teams can struggle to make it that far, especially consistently. Jurgen brings us to the quarters, and we're all wearing t-shirts with his face on it and talking about "experimentation" paying off in the long run. That's the bar we want to set as far as "What do we shoot for next", but if we'd gone there this past WC, it'd have been a bit of a miracle.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:13 am to
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lso we certainly looked like we belonged at the 2014 World Cup.
for sure.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:22 am to
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at least not get outshot by every team we play in the process

Baw, this isn´t basketball. This isn´t ALWAYS a bonafide touchstone of how a match went.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
21061 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:31 am to
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Baw, this isn´t basketball. This isn´t ALWAYS a bonafide touchstone of how a match went.


No it isn't but if you watched those matches they were indicative of how they went
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:31 am to
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Baw, this isn´t basketball. This isn´t ALWAYS a bonafide touchstone of how a match went.

Have you seen how badly we've been getting outshot? It's pretty telling.
Posted by Dijkstra
Michael J. Fox's location in time.
Member since Sep 2007
8745 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:38 am to
I think a better way to convey that sentiment is to highlight the amount of chances opponents are being allowed to create over short periods. For a while now, we've basically let every team we've played spend a ton of time around our box while we're defending frantically for 15-20 minutes every single half.

We give them the wings, sit deep and put bodies in the box, and just hope we can get one good clearance to start a counter. Recently, though, that clearance just seems to always serve to center the ball 10 to 15 yards from the top of the box and reset their attack for several minutes at a time. We have such an issue in the midfield at times that we've basically cut that part of the game out, and anyone with any sort of decent shot who makes it near the box takes the shot.

We need to find some sort of consistent midfield that can possess the ball for any amount of time or we'll just continue to be whomped.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 11:56 am to
Oh, I definitely agree (saw the Mexico match).

Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:40 pm to
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Of course, but above all, I think the WC showing was a damned good one.

And that's when the Jurgen support was at its height. Even the ones who hated him for leaving off Donovan were giving him props.

But I still remember thinking that the possession had to get better. We were dominated in the 2nd half by Ghana, 1st half by Portugal, and the whole game by Germany and Belgium. Those are obviously great teams, but we still had a lot of room to improve.
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Has it gone downhill? Yes.

It has gone downhill big time. After that WC performance, you'd think we were past the days of losing to CONCACAF nobodies like Jamaica and Panama. You'd think we'd work on the possession and the back line would improve. It hasn't - it has regressed. We no longer look like a top dog in CONCACAF, and that is very depressing.

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You people have very short memories and outrageously delusional expectations.

My expectations for the USMNT is to win the Gold Cup, qualify for the Confed Cup, and qualify for the World Cup. That's not a lot. I don't even expect to always beat Mexico.

I do, however, expect to at least look confident and sound against CONCACAF teams, and that hasn't been the case since (for the most part) since the WC.
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