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uway
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re: Training / drill recommendations for a novice footballer
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How is that irrelevant? If someone says that a country is going to be "Muslim-majority" but the data doesn't support that conclusion, it seems highly relevant.


I’m not blaming you for talking about it. You just responded.
It shouldn’t be brought up by anyone, because Europe (or anywhere else that’s not already Muslim) would be drastically changed well before you neared 50% Muslim population.

Otherwise, thank you for the typically thoughtful response.
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crazy4lsu
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It's no problem. What is a very interesting question for me is posing if the Warsaw Pact didn't exist, it is unlikely that Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands would never have sought worker agreements with countries in MENA, thereby avoiding the Muslim question entirely. Similarly, if Portugal and Spain were not fascist, there would have been a greater degree of emigration from those countries to the richer central European countries, during the 60's, which would have also mitigated the need for immigration.

At the same time, without those worker agreements, many Muslim nations would have struggled, even more than they did, to deal with the massive population growth that occurred after various independence movements. Emigration from Muslim countries eased population pressures and also created wealth in the form of remittances as well as knowledge transfer. It's virtually the same thing that China and India have done with their diasporas. Now that the TFR of Muslim countries is tending downwards, it would be very easy to imagine repatriation occurring, though in some ways, repatriation is harder, with the case of Japanese-Brazilians being one of the primary case studies.

Honestly, the Muslim issue in Europe contains so many what-ifs, all of them working chaotically to make the situation both unsustainable and to give the appearance that it is worse than it is. The colonial system worked very hard to destroy localized versions of Islam, which often relied on Sufi orders. It's only in the absence of those versions that a globalized version like Salafism could even take hold. Once you have a disaffected class of young men, as America often has had with its immigrant groups (Irish, Italian and African-American participation in crime, historically, can be thought of as disaffection created by the perceived lack of opportunity), it's very easy for violence to take hold. On top of all this, you had what amounts to the first world war of the 20th century in Syria, in which the disaffected could find purpose in their lives by fighting for a cause bigger than themselves.

In literally every other case, that disaffection would have been expressed through crime that would have been limited to specific regions. That this took place during a globalizing period for the world created the perfect storm. The causes of the problems started in WWI, where the pattern of population loss, and using colonial armies to supplement regular ones, began a pattern of decision-making, the consequences we still feel today. The thought was that if armies could be integrated on some level, then society could be too. I think America's efforts at integration show that integration takes a long time, and is an uneven process.

ETA: I simplified a lot of things when writing this, because I'm covering a long period of time. The migration patterns that resulted from the fin de siecle period to WWI are extremely complicated, and are the result of things that started with the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648.
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cwil177
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How much wikipedia do you read on a daily basis?


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I actually have a word document where I compile a bunch of data from different sources. If I want something quickly wiki is fine, but I usually look through my own stuff first.


uway
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actually have a word document where I compile a bunch of data from different sources. If I want something quickly wiki is fine, but I usually look through my own stuff first.


Why do you stay so informed on this? Just a hobby?


crazy4lsu
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Mostly because its tremendously interesting, and fits in with a lot of my other reading interests.


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You're only able to say such naive things because the French military and anti terror forces have done such a good job preventing another Nice for the last 2 years. But you ignore the fact that Jews continue to flee a France where their families have lived for 6 or more generations. A France that their families helped build. Those who dare to stay can no longer openly show their faith in public.

Its clearly going to get far worse - whether its 30 years or 50 or 80 is the only question.
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Also the last time France won a World Cup, the pundits silenced qualms about changing demographics by pointing out the beauty and diversity of the black, blanc, brown makeup of the national team.

Now the team is black, black, blanc. Its barely even diverse - and in 4 years it will be black, black, black.
Entirely homogeneous in the same way that Iceland, Japan and Croatia got criticized for. Bunch of leftist hypocrites. Only all white or all Asian teams get criticized. Homogeneous teams are only "beautiful" when they are Arab or Hispanic or African.
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Like half of France's first choice XI was white.


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cwil177
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Do you get upset that most football players are black?


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How can someone be so dumb?

Black people have been living in France since before France was France

Might want to brush up on your history and trade routes/port cities.
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StraightCashHomey21
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Dude didn’t even understand why England has so many black people

Idiots get upset when they can’t comprehend things or read basic history


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crazy4lsu
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You're only able to say such naive things because the French military and anti terror forces have done such a good job preventing another Nice for the last 2 years.


I've said nothing naive. You're only bringing up Nice now, and I'm all for breaking up these terror cells and other jihadi networks, many of which have ties to various intelligence agencies. My view is that these networks were created in some part by the disaffection felt by 2nd and 3rd generation French Mahgrebi's, a disaffection that stems from policy decisions made in the 60's to limit their opportunities. They didn't put themselves in the banlieus.

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But you ignore the fact that Jews continue to flee a France where their families have lived for 6 or more generations.


I haven't ignored it, primarily because you're only bringing it up now. Of course it is a problem, but it was a problem with the Dreyfus Affair and it's a problem now. Antisemitism in France did not begin with Muslim immigration. In fact, one police report, after having interviewed 42 young Mahgrebi's, stated that they were" predominantly delinquents without ideology, motivated by diffuse hostility to Israel, exacerbated by media representation of the Middle East conflict...a conflict which they see reproduces the picture of exclusion and failure of which they feel as victims." The discussion of disaffection is related to a bunch of other behaviors, including Antisemitism.

We aren't even broaching representations of Israel in France, which has been pro-Arab since the Six-Day War in 1967, more or less. The tradition of antisemitism is left-wing, right-wing, and Islamic. The latter portion is most problematic right now, but I'd wager if that there is an end to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict along the 1967 guidelines, then you'd see lots of antisemitism (which is a European import to the Islamic world, as Islamic antisemitism was entirely different, as Bernard Lewis, the famous historian, has documented).


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Is it hotter when crazy4lsu talks tactics or teaches history?


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I'm surprised you're still bothering to interact with him as he is just throwing the whole kitchen sink at you, with no intention of being consistent.

Concern trolling about Jews while being a supporter of the National Front, shifting the goal posts from Muslims taking over France to blacks taking over the French team (particularly when 9 out of 14 black players aren't even Muslim), and failing to understand the difference between the open borders policies favored by leftist parties and the impact of colonization of the past century.

Yet you are the one being naive

ETA: According to the 2015 Pew study on religion in Europe, there isn't a single Western European nation with more than a 10 percent Muslim population. And in all of Europe, the only countries with more than 10 percent Muslim populations have next to nothing to do with immigration.
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Now the team is black, black, blanc. Its barely even diverse - and in 4 years it will be black, black, black.



What is wrong with Black Frenchmen? I assume you wouldn't have a problem with Italian-Frenchmen like Platini on the team, or a Spanish-Frenchman in Luis Fernandez, or a Portuguese Frenchmen in Robert Pires, or Laurent Koscielny, who is Polish-French. How do you feel about Antoine Greizemann, a French player who has Portuguese ancestry on his mother's side and German ancestry on his father's side? It's likely that some of the black players for France, especially those from France's colonial possessions have been speaking French for longer than Griezemann's family. Again, soccer in France has been primarily an immigrant sport. Why is anyone surprised that immigrants play it?

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Entirely homogeneous in the same way that Iceland, Japan and Croatia got criticized for. Bunch of leftist hypocrites. Only all white or all Asian teams get criticized.


No one criticized Iceland or Japan or Croatia for their lack of homogeneity. In fact, the only people who care about homogeneity are insane people who don't realize how large cosmopolitan France was, or that multiple overseas departments were considered France, and not colonial possessions. Which is why the loss of Algeria was especially crippling (crippling enough to cause an assassination attempt on de Gaulle, and a wave of bombings). Algeria was considered apart of Metropolitan France, just like Reunion or Martinique.

I'd also argue that North African teams are fairly diverse in a sense. Many of the French-born players do not speak Arabic, and Tunisia had a half-Tunisian player named Dylan Bronn. The Nigerian team is super diverse, split between Muslims and Christians, with lots of foreign-born players. Do the ethnic groups in Nigeria matter, or is the fact that they are black more important to you? Most teams in the Western Hemisphere will be made up of a whole slew of ethnicities, including indigenous groups. Do those countries, like Colombia count as homogeneous to you? It's an insane metric to care about, and while I have a feeling I know why you care, I can't help but feel you miss the point about what makes the WC and tournaments like it so much fun. It's the actual football that matters, not the ethnicities, religions, races, hair colors, or skin colors. I have no idea why your obsessed with this shit, in all honesty.


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I'm surprised you're still bothering to interact with him as he is just throwing the whole kitchen sink at you, with no intention of being consistent.



I'm actually procrastinating. I have 3 interviews in the next 3 weeks, and I've quit my job, so I'm freaking out by discussing this stuff instead of preparing for the interviews.


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Do you work in some sort of government/IR related work?



crazy4lsu
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No, I was working at a hospital. I'm applying for either DO/Ph.D's and MD/Ph.D's with the aim of becoming a medical scientist. Otherwise I read a bunch and argue a bunch on reddit and TD.


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