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re: This may be the end of Qatar
Posted on 6/1/14 at 4:21 pm to soccerfüt
Posted on 6/1/14 at 4:21 pm to soccerfüt
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I hate FIFA and the IOC, they are rotten bastards to the core. I can't not watch the World Cup but I will never attend or pay attention to the "Olympics". Manufactured BS. Synchronized Swimming? Really? Preying on American patriotism to make their money.
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Posted on 6/1/14 at 4:22 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Qatar and Russia are going to be disasters
I'm not positive Brazil is going to be a particularly resounding success.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 4:30 pm to AUin02
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I'm not positive Brazil is going to be a particularly resounding success.
people said the same about South Africa
Brazil is still a destination spot unlike Russia/Qatar.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 6:09 am
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
The Brazilian people are up in arms about this WC. You know shite is bad when Brazilians are angry about a WC being hosted in their country. Billions of cost overruns due to corruption. Lots of protests going on. This summer will get worse because all the spotlights will be there on the activities in, and around, the stadiums.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:41 pm to cwil177
I agree, the activists are going to use the World Cup as the focus point and wreck havoc, I'm not talking civil unrest, but some really disrupting protests, lots of bad pub for the current government and probably FIFA. in the end the tournament will still happen and by August the rest of the world will have forgotten of Brazils problems.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 8:44 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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as for documents no one keeps documents of bribes
Tell that to the thousands of federal criminal lawyers in this country that make a living off of finding those documents.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:45 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Every time this Qatar story pops up, I think about how much more money FIFA could make if they gave the cup to the US (not the exec committee but the organization itself). Using this list of sports stadiums, here is how many stadiums over 60,000 each country has:
USA 74
All Others 81
Brazil 8
UK 7
Germany 6
China 5
India 5
Iran 3
Italy 3
South Korea 3
Australia 2
Canada 2
Egypt 2
France 2
Japan 2
Malaysia 2
Mexico 2
Spain 2
Turkey 2
Algeria 1
Argentina 1
Congo 1
Greece 1
Indonesia 1
Iraq 1
Ireland 1
Kuwait 1
Libya 1
Malawi 1
Morocco 1
New Zealand 1
North Korea 1
Peru 1
Portugal 1
Russia 1
Saudi Arabia 1
South Africa 1
Syria 1
Thailand 1
Tunisia 1
Ukraine 1
Uruguay 1
Qatar 0 (largest is 50,000)
USA 74
All Others 81
Brazil 8
UK 7
Germany 6
China 5
India 5
Iran 3
Italy 3
South Korea 3
Australia 2
Canada 2
Egypt 2
France 2
Japan 2
Malaysia 2
Mexico 2
Spain 2
Turkey 2
Algeria 1
Argentina 1
Congo 1
Greece 1
Indonesia 1
Iraq 1
Ireland 1
Kuwait 1
Libya 1
Malawi 1
Morocco 1
New Zealand 1
North Korea 1
Peru 1
Portugal 1
Russia 1
Saudi Arabia 1
South Africa 1
Syria 1
Thailand 1
Tunisia 1
Ukraine 1
Uruguay 1
Qatar 0 (largest is 50,000)
Posted on 6/2/14 at 2:36 am to cwil177
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The Brazilian people are up in arms about this WC. You know shite is bad when Brazilians are angry about a WC being hosted in their country. Billions of cost overruns due to corruption. Lots of protests going on. This summer will get worse because all the spotlights will be there on the activities in, and around, the stadiums.
Yea they fricked it up bad. They did a test run this weekend at one of the unfinished stadiums. But once it starts you know they love their soccer to much to cause issues. Crazy you can still get tickets though.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
There's no question the USA is more equipped to host a World Cup than anyone else. There's not really a debate there. Hell, you could leave out NFL Stadiums and it still wouldn't be close. The best stadiums in Europe (much less a single country in Europe) can't even compete with our college football infrastructure.
There's way more to it than capability. South Africa, Brazil, Russia and Qatar didn't get WC's because their bids were better, They won because FIFA has to spread the thing around to be fair while considering which emerging or potentially emerging economies could use a boost in terms of $$$ and stadia, among other things. The bids are just a front and the corruption is nuts, it seems. Those dudes just don't give a frick. I hate to be the smug American sports guy douche here, but shite like that would never happen in the States.
eta That was obviously a very simple description of how the hosts are chosen, and tbh, I'm not sure it's 100% correct So correct me if some of that isn't accurate, please.
There's way more to it than capability. South Africa, Brazil, Russia and Qatar didn't get WC's because their bids were better, They won because FIFA has to spread the thing around to be fair while considering which emerging or potentially emerging economies could use a boost in terms of $$$ and stadia, among other things. The bids are just a front and the corruption is nuts, it seems. Those dudes just don't give a frick
. I hate to be the smug American sports guy douche here, but shite like that would never happen in the States. eta That was obviously a very simple description of how the hosts are chosen, and tbh, I'm not sure it's 100% correct
So correct me if some of that isn't accurate, please.This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 4:56 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:03 am to cwil177
If shite got really real and Qatar were stripped of the tournament, would there be a re-bidding process or what?
If it were a semi-short notice kind of deal, surely USA would be the only option right?
If it were a semi-short notice kind of deal, surely USA would be the only option right?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:17 am to mynamebowl
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Hell, you could leave out NFL Stadiums and it still wouldn't be close. The best stadiums in Europe (much less a single country in Europe) can't even compete with our college football infrastructure.
um no
Thats completely false anyone who has been to game over here hell in Europe in general will tell you that. The US does not have the public transportation infrastructure like here to get people to and from games. Giant parking lots and driving to games causes more issues.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 6:11 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:56 am to NOTORlOUSD
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Every time this Qatar story pops up, I think about how much more money FIFA could make if they gave the cup to the US (not the exec committee but the organization itself). Using this list of sports stadiums, here is how many stadiums over 60,000 each country has:
to be far you should say 45K + b/c thats around the FIFA min for capacity.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:11 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The US does not have the public transportation infrastructure like here to get people to and from games. Giant parking lots and driving to games causes more issues.
You may be right in regards to the college stadiums I mentioned, but I just threw that in there for context based on the number of huge stadiums we have here.
Don't they only use like 8 or 9 stadiums for a World Cup anyway? We have plenty of venues that could handle any of the transportation issues you brought up. There are more than enough NFL stadiums that have great to and from shuttle/train systems and/or have hotels within walking distance.
Not to mention the stadiums themselves. Those 8 or 9 venues presumably chosen to host games would be newer, safer, and just better than anything Europe has to offer.
I'm talking exclusively on feasibility here. Spain, Germany, England, Italy, etc may have an edge in terms of stadium atmosphere and things like that but we simply have more and better quality stadiums than any other country in the world.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:14 am to StraightCashHomey21
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to be far you should say 45K + b/c thats around the FIFA min for capacity.
Go big or go home bro. Every one of our 60k or higher capacity stadiums would sell out for every game hosted there.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:16 am to mynamebowl
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You may be right in regards to the college stadiums I mentioned, but I just threw that in there for context based on the number of huge stadiums we have here.
Don't they only use like 8 or 9 stadiums for a World Cup anyway? We have plenty of venues that could handle any of the transportation issues you brought up. There are more than enough NFL stadiums that have great to and from shuttle/train systems and/or have hotels within walking distance.
Not to mention the stadiums themselves. Those 8 or 9 venues presumably chosen to host games would be newer, safer, and just better than anything Europe has to offer.
Ok lets just talk NFL. We will go with the east coast b/c without a doubt Boston, NYC,Philly, DC and Miami would all host games. None of the stadiums are downtown and Philly is in South Philly away from any hotels. We saw how bad of a disaster the SB was in NY in terms of getting there. You are talking out your arse, saftey real Any WC venue would be damn near state of the art with upgrades or being new.
quote:And these countries have a better means of getting fans to and from games. No cars needed. Pro stadiums in residential areas in the states just does not happen. You can literally go to a match over here and get off the train with in a 2min walk to the stadium.
I'm talking exclusively on feasibility here. Spain, Germany, England, Italy, etc may have an edge in terms of stadium atmosphere and things like that but we simply have more and better quality stadiums than any other country in the world.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:18 am to mynamebowl
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Go big or go home bro. Every one of our 60k or higher capacity stadiums would sell out for every game hosted there.
lol no
we are not a soccer mad country that will pack 75k+ for some random lower profile group stage game.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:29 am to StraightCashHomey21
You only use 12 stadiums so 81 is kind of a moot point.
I'm hoping Russia gets pulled into this mess too.
I'm hoping Russia gets pulled into this mess too.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:47 am to StraightCashHomey21
Quote from the 1994 World Cup Wiki page
We had no problem averaging 69k/game when no one gave a shite about soccer. What's changed since then? Our stadiums have only gotten bigger, better, and more convenient. And now people actually do give a shite. Transportation to and from games and boarding options are far better now than in '94, also. We would break attendance records again, and by a large margin.
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The 1994 World Cup was the best attended in history, with average attendance of nearly 69,000.[1][2] The total attendance of nearly 3.6 million for the final tournament remains the highest in World Cup history, despite the expansion of the competition from 24 to 32 teams (and from 52 to 64 matches) in the 1998 World Cup.[1]
We had no problem averaging 69k/game when no one gave a shite about soccer. What's changed since then? Our stadiums have only gotten bigger, better, and more convenient. And now people actually do give a shite. Transportation to and from games and boarding options are far better now than in '94, also. We would break attendance records again, and by a large margin.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 6:55 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:52 am to mynamebowl
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We had no problem averaging 69k/game when no one gave a shite about soccer. What's changed since then? Besides that people now do give a shite. The means of transportation and boarding needed have only gotten better and more efficient.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhh that still does not mean people will pack a low profile group game, of course the avg attendance was so high. We had games at the rose bowl and the silverdome. If you watched the WC you know not every game was a sell out.
once again your claims about being more efficient to getting fans to games than Europe is false.
I grew up in an NFL city with one of these stadium not in the city rather just a giant concrete parking lot. Its much easier to get to a european soccer match than dealing with the hassles of an NFL game.
Just look at the Cities that would be shoe in for games. DC,NYC, Dallas and Boston. Their pro stadiums are not in the city whatsoever and are logistical nightmares.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 7:00 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 7:09 am to StraightCashHomey21
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once again your claims about being more efficient to getting fans to games than Europe is false.
Ok, I'll give you the efficiency thing but fans getting to and from games is hardly the only criteria FIFA uses when deciding these things. Sure, it's easier to walk to a 50k seat stadium that's 100 years old. Or, you could hop on a shuttle from a hotel in any NFL city, be there in 10-15 minutes, and watch the game at a bigger, more modern stadium. We do a few things pretty well over here man, sporting events is one of them.
Tell me this, would you rather walk 5 minutes to watch a USA game in, let's say, Newcastle or Monchengladbach, or ride a train 10 minutes to Reliant stadium in Houston. There is only one correct answer here.
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