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Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:26 pm to wm72
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the US would not only need to move closer to European level coaching/academies at young ages
This is possible.
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also have those academies mainly filled with kids from the lowest economic groups -- and a large percentage of those ones that aren't physically likely to make it in American football or basketball
This is impossible. You can’t manage that from the top-down unless you kidnap the kids and force them to play soccer.
It has to be from the bottom up, with those kids playing soccer because they want to, which means soccer has to matter to people more than it does.
Changing the US sports culture to that extent is a pipe dream.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:28 pm to michael corleone
Good God, athletes are NOT the issue. It is development of both technical and tactical ability and creativity.
The style of play in the US is successful in the US, and in the US only. Even the concerted effort on Sunday to play with combination passing was abandoned even though it was working. It is habit. The couple times the long ball worked were lucky bounces(yes I know the lucky bounce is part of that strategy).
The system play has to be taught at an early age, and consistently reinforced.
ETA: If you want to play "kick a ball and chase it, muscling everybody out of the way" soccer, yes you need athletes. Even that won't compete on the world stage though.
The style of play in the US is successful in the US, and in the US only. Even the concerted effort on Sunday to play with combination passing was abandoned even though it was working. It is habit. The couple times the long ball worked were lucky bounces(yes I know the lucky bounce is part of that strategy).
The system play has to be taught at an early age, and consistently reinforced.
ETA: If you want to play "kick a ball and chase it, muscling everybody out of the way" soccer, yes you need athletes. Even that won't compete on the world stage though.
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:30 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Gareth Bale in his prime 23-24
He then pulled a hammy and missed 2 months.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:42 pm to Broski
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The frick? This thread is 8 pages?
Just read them all, and I think I am dumber for it.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 12:48 pm to lionward2014
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He then pulled a hammy and missed 2 months.
Was waiting for this
I guess my stoke comment didn’t get any LOLs
I are sad
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:06 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Until you guys open up your minds to the reality that most of our best athletes chose a path other than soccer , we will never move past the quarters. USMNT does a poor job at the bottom on making sure the best athletes stick with soccer. In today’s world, lots of little kids start playing soccer at 3-5, but many great athletes / players leave for other sports around 12-13. They need to recruit the 9-13 year old boy and convict him to stay as opposed to focusing on football, basketball, etc.
Oh and for those of you who have gone on ranting against me all day, IF athleticism and speed have nothing to do with winning explain how a a Dallas U 15 boys team dominated the best women’s team in the world. It’s bc they were bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic. As a whole, football players (Wr, Rb, DB, TE, LB,) and certain basketball players are bigger, stronger , faster and more athletic than soccer players at their level.
Oh and for those of you who have gone on ranting against me all day, IF athleticism and speed have nothing to do with winning explain how a a Dallas U 15 boys team dominated the best women’s team in the world. It’s bc they were bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic. As a whole, football players (Wr, Rb, DB, TE, LB,) and certain basketball players are bigger, stronger , faster and more athletic than soccer players at their level.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:07 pm to michael corleone
You’re an idiot.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:12 pm to michael corleone
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As a whole, football players (Wr, Rb, DB, TE, LB,) and certain basketball players are bigger, stronger , faster and more athletic than soccer players at their level
I guarantee you those guys wouldn't be as big or strong if they were to play soccer.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:18 pm to michael corleone
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Oh and for those of you who have gone on ranting against me all day, IF athleticism and speed have nothing to do with winning explain how a a Dallas U 15 boys team dominated the best women’s team in the world. It’s bc they were bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic
Being bigger, stronger, and faster does have advantages, but it is not mutually exclusive with making you better. Technique being equal, the stronger and faster player will win one v. one.
These massive athletes we have playing football and basketball would struggle with the coordination needed to dribble a soccer ball at a world class level because of that size. There aren't many 6'10 point guards because of the lack of coordination with dribbling a basketball, and that is using your hands, now imagine only using your feet.
I'm sure if Antonio Brown or OBJ received training at a European academy since the age of 5 they could potentially be a great soccer players, but body wise they are much more comparable to world class soccer players than what people are referencing with these "US freak athletes."
ETA: Greek Freak is one of the most athletic players in the NBA from a country that won the Euros 15 years ago, you don't think if it were feasible for him to be a striker for them they wouldn't have put him in an academy?
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:23 pm to pvilleguru
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I guarantee you those guys wouldn't be as big or strong if they were to play soccer.
This
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:26 pm to michael corleone
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, IF athleticism and speed have nothing to do with winning explain how a a Dallas U 15 boys team dominated the best women’s team in the world. It’s bc they were bigger, stronger, faster and more athletic
bc Mens and Womens soccer is not even the same game
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:27 pm to lionward2014
Again, I am not stating that if you took a 25-year-old NFL running back you could come close to replacing a 25 yo striker.
What I am saying is that across the board, our best athletes stick with other sports and not soccer. If those athletes stuck with soccer and received the same soccer development from age 5 through the age of 25, then it would reflect with being more successful on the field. Presumably both women and men receive identical soccer training at all levels regarding individual skill, decision-making and overall game strategy. If so, there is a reason 15-year-old boys can be the best women’s team in the word.
What I am saying is that across the board, our best athletes stick with other sports and not soccer. If those athletes stuck with soccer and received the same soccer development from age 5 through the age of 25, then it would reflect with being more successful on the field. Presumably both women and men receive identical soccer training at all levels regarding individual skill, decision-making and overall game strategy. If so, there is a reason 15-year-old boys can be the best women’s team in the word.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:29 pm to michael corleone
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Until you guys open up your minds to the reality that most of our best athletes chose a path other than soccer , we will never move past the quarters
This is still the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:30 pm to pvilleguru
I’d bet some of those “superior” basketball and football players wouldn’t have the stamina to run at varied paces for 90+ minutes.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:32 pm to michael corleone
If Rob Gronkowski played soccer instead of football he wouldn’t be 270 lbs of muscle
He’d be built like this
He’d be built like this
This post was edited on 7/9/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:37 pm to michael corleone
I'll ask again, were you alive in 2002?
I'll say it again, we already have a 3rd place finish in a world cup.
I'll say it again, we already have a 3rd place finish in a world cup.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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As long we are mostly pay to play, it's going to be hard though.
It’s a catch 22. Pay to play helps fund the game here, but we need to move away from that system as it limits our player pool dramatically. Eventually the product will get good enough to where the game will get more popular here and hopefully pay to play goes the way of the dodo.
Posted on 7/9/19 at 1:45 pm to cwil177
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hopefully pay to play goes the way of the dodo
Then what will happen to all those European coaches who were not good enough to coach in Europe?
Posted on 7/9/19 at 2:38 pm to michael corleone
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USMNT does a poor job at the bottom on making sure the best athletes stick with soccer.
We do a poor job with the athletes we have. There are plenty of good athletes that play soccer, but who have sub-par technique. Once you impact the technical skills to players, their physical advantages will shine through. But we generally give our players sub-standard technique. The technical education is more important than any athleticism.
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