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re: Spot on about the US and future World Cups
Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:20 am to 632627
Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:20 am to 632627
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Elite athletes don’t matter, look at Messi
I really wish people would stop making this comparison. Messi is an alien. He's 1 of 1 and no one before him has ever possessed his entire skillset or footballing brain. I think we need to operate under the assumption that we aren't going to produce one of those.
Elite athletes do matter. Kyle Walker, Virgil Van Dijk, Sergio Ramos, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kylian Mbappe... I mean the list goes on and on and on. We've got the largest population of sporting age males in a multi sport nation. It's simple math that if you took the baseball travel ball structure even in the southeast and snapped your fingers and all of those kids were now playing soccer, we'd be a world power within a decade.
The difference is that there is no structure, so even if you had 1,000 kids in every county playing the game from a young age, they aren't getting quality coaching.
The flip side of that coin however is that from that 1,000 a handful of them are going to figure it out on their own to an extent and be obsessed with it and always have a ball at their feet. A percentage of those kids will grow up to be elite athletes.
The math is the math, but until it's a widespread game played by 12 year olds instead of 5 year olds, then the only pathway to the big boy table is to make sure the 12 year olds that are playing are getting proper coaching
It stands to reason that there are thousands of 6'5"-6'7" guys in this country that grew up playing basketball that were never good enough to play past a small college. Now imagine those genetics in goal. Now imagine the ones that were good enough to make it into the NBA and imagine those genetics in goal. The argument is a tired one and usually presented as a stupid one, like we should just start teaching Lebron James how to stop a 75 mph free kick form the top of the box. The real hypothetical to me is what if some of these guys that won the genetic lottery, which America has more of than any other nation, starting playing when they were 5 and took it serious. That's how you become a global power. It's not going to get to that point without structure though and I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too. Any rise of soccer is going to coincide with a decline in american football, I don't think the two can coexist and the long term injury data is going to damn the future of football in the long run
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 8:27 am
Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:49 am to St Augustine
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How many World Cup matches have you watched? How many of the best players on earth are somewhere between 5’7-5’11 and 145-170 lbs.
The answer is most of them. We don’t need the LeBrons of the world playing soccer and he’d probably suck at it outside of being developed as a keeper.
We need development for the masses of normal sized kids out there in a country as big as ours.
Great post. Being big and tall helps, but speed, stamina and most importantly, being able to control the ball with your feet are what really matter.
The US is the 3rd most populous country on the planet.
There are enough skilled athletes available. We just need to identify them early and get them into academies. Sure, we'll lose some along the way to American football, basketball and baseball, but those who stick it out will be soccer standouts. They don't need to be built like basketball centers or NFL linebackers.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 8:56 am to Big4SALTbro
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We could find a small forward body or big wr and if they were trained at a young age train them to be Haaland type that just bullies people around.
That’s a more likely scenario for us than finding a Messi out of 5’7 short kings
Haaland is 6'5". Not sure how much he weighs, but if he grew up in the US he looks like he'd be a QB, tight end, edge rusher or safety.
There are a whole lot more Messi-types out there that have no chance at becoming a professional fooball, baseball or basketball player.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 2:53 pm to BOSCEAUX
Now that you mention it Pavia does sound like a soccer name and he kinda looks and acts like a Wayne Rooney
Posted on 7/7/26 at 3:05 pm to Archives
Kids are signing with big clubs over there as teens still in grade school.
We don't even allow that in our sports here. So, if you are a great soccer player, you have to leave the country or you will be behind. Going to college is a waste of time for these guys.
We don't even allow that in our sports here. So, if you are a great soccer player, you have to leave the country or you will be behind. Going to college is a waste of time for these guys.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:19 pm to dgnx6
I'm just waiting for Cavan Sullivan to save us
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:39 pm to kywildcatfanone
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More kids play soccer now than baseball and football
Yeah when they’re 5
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:44 pm to Archives
It’s not an athlete problem. It’s a development and skill problem.
By the masses, youth soccer is coached by some dads that have never played soccer before and don’t know what they’re doing.
Imagine the avg youth dad in Europe/South America coaching soccer vs US. The skillsets are instilled and developed significantly earlier than they ever are in the US.
And don’t come @me “muh not my son, I played soccer growing up!” I am talking about in general across the entire United States.
By the masses, youth soccer is coached by some dads that have never played soccer before and don’t know what they’re doing.
Imagine the avg youth dad in Europe/South America coaching soccer vs US. The skillsets are instilled and developed significantly earlier than they ever are in the US.
And don’t come @me “muh not my son, I played soccer growing up!” I am talking about in general across the entire United States.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:57 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
That’s too late. They have to be developed earlier and shipped to
Europe by 15-16.
Europe by 15-16.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 6:07 pm to HarryHoudini
Actually until high school when
participation for all sports drop.
High School football is heavily
subsidized, otherwise its participation rate would be severe. The costs of equipment,
coaching, stadium, referees, and
insurance, make taxpayer dollars
needed.
participation for all sports drop.
High School football is heavily
subsidized, otherwise its participation rate would be severe. The costs of equipment,
coaching, stadium, referees, and
insurance, make taxpayer dollars
needed.
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