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re: Official US vs Panama thread
Posted on 6/12/11 at 4:28 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 6/12/11 at 4:28 pm to adammwilson
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you don't think he could start at some great EPL clubs just as an example?
Where? He wouldn't crack the starting XI at any of the top five clubs, IMO.
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Posted on 6/12/11 at 4:30 pm to TN Bhoy
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Where? He wouldn't crack the starting XI at any of the top five clubs, IMO.
I think it's possible. That's all I'm saying. At the very least he could push for a starting spot.
Posted on 6/12/11 at 4:30 pm to TN Bhoy
He could crack the starting lineup for a lot of games for Manchester united for example
Posted on 6/12/11 at 4:30 pm to hendersonshands
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He could crack the starting lineup for a lot of games for Manchester united for example
that's exactly the club I had in mind when I was just thinking about it. 
Posted on 6/12/11 at 7:23 pm to adammwilson
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who would you have put in then?
In retrospect, I think the substitutions made some sense given the situation. I was just being a dick, b/c I was pissed about the being down 2-0 to Panama thing in the first place. Still, if the plan was to play 2 forwards + Dempsey as a forward, I think it would have made more sense to leave Agudelo on when you subbed out Jones, instead of taking Juan out then and later bringing in Wondo.
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It seems all you do is complain about Bob but have no ideas of your own.
Well, I was in the "it's time for Bob to move on" camp right after the last WC was over (and not b/c I think the U.S. should always be a quarter-final team), so it makes sense that I have pretty much the same opinion on him now after what's been a pretty poor year of performances.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:23 am to uway
The team hasn't really progressed from where it was when he took over. Yes we won our WC group (which may have been the easiest group in the history of the WC), but the team is no more consistent that it was when he started. Player development isn't where it needs to be. I'm sorry but BB needs to be replaced. I would support Klinnsman if he had a shot.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:32 am to Early Cuyler
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Yes we won our WC group (which may have been the easiest group in the history of the WC)
What's your basis for this?
Just curious.
ETA: Since I know you have no basis, here's the average FIFA rankings for each group in the last World Cup.
A: 31.25
B: 22
C: 19.25
D: 18.25
E: 26
F: 37
G: 34
H: 20.5
Group C was the second most difficult group, on paper in the last World Cup. If it wasn't even the easiest group in the last World Cup, how could it be the easiest group of all time?
Because you know nothing about the other two teams that were in the group, doesn't mean they aren't good.
Anything else you'd like me to discredit for you? It's early and I've got all day.
Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 8:42 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:45 am to Sheep
an amalgamation of subjectivism and numbers. The only other group that could be considered easier was 2002, in which the US advanced to the quarters under Bruce Arena.
2010 WC
Slovenia - 2010 ranking 17
Algeria - 2010 ranking 41
England - 2010 ranking 6
2002 WC
South Korea 2002 rank 42
United States
Portugal 2002 rank 4
Poland 2002 rank 31
2006 WC
Italy rank 12
Ghana rank 50
Czech Republic rank 2
United States rank 7
I misspoke, i meant that the US had participated in. Apologies.
2010 WC
Slovenia - 2010 ranking 17
Algeria - 2010 ranking 41
England - 2010 ranking 6
2002 WC
South Korea 2002 rank 42
United States
Portugal 2002 rank 4
Poland 2002 rank 31
2006 WC
Italy rank 12
Ghana rank 50
Czech Republic rank 2
United States rank 7
I misspoke, i meant that the US had participated in. Apologies.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:46 am to Early Cuyler
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I would support Klinnsman if he had a shot.
Klinsmann/Adu 2012!!!
The PEOPLE'S ticket!
PS: Please note the correct spelling of Klinsmann.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:48 am to Sheep
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PS: Please note the correct spelling of Klinsmann.
I knew there were double letters in there somewhere and didn't feel like searching.
Sadly, JK will never get a shot bc he wants complete control over the youth system, which USSF will never allow.
Bummer.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 8:51 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:51 am to Early Cuyler
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Slovenia
Finished 2nd to Italy (and ahead of Serbia) in WC qualifying, beat Russia in a home and home to advance.
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Algeria
Won African WC qualifying.
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England
I think everyone's heard of them.
It's not like we had New Zealand, North Korea and South Africa in our group.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:56 am to Sheep
This thread needs to burn. frick Panama.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 8:57 am to Sheep
2010 Average 21.333
2006 Average 25.666
2002 Average 21.333
Taking the rankings of the group opponents in each world cup and dividing by 3, I got the average world ranking of our opponents in each group in the previous 3 WCs. What I find interesting is that 2002 (our best WC) is the exact same ranking (if my math is correct) as 2010.
Numbers aside, do you really feel that the USMNT is better than it was in 2006 or 2002? Does the overall level of play, consistency, etc. merit another 4 yrs with BB? I don't, but that's just me.
2006 Average 25.666
2002 Average 21.333
Taking the rankings of the group opponents in each world cup and dividing by 3, I got the average world ranking of our opponents in each group in the previous 3 WCs. What I find interesting is that 2002 (our best WC) is the exact same ranking (if my math is correct) as 2010.
Numbers aside, do you really feel that the USMNT is better than it was in 2006 or 2002? Does the overall level of play, consistency, etc. merit another 4 yrs with BB? I don't, but that's just me.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 9:46 am to Early Cuyler
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Numbers aside, do you really feel that the USMNT is better than it was in 2006 or 2002?
Yes. I think the results (past three weeks notwithstanding), indicate as such.
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Does the overall level of play
Sure. Trying to get away from kick and rush, ability from position to position is higher. (i.e. Bocanegra isn't great, but he's more talented that Jeff Agoos, etc.)
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consistency
Not as good in this department. Two things impact this in my mind. First, the players hold some responsibility to bring the same level of focus and passion to each game. They don't. And while SOME of that falls on Bradley, anyone who's played the game knows that each teammate on the field is responsible for pushing, encouraging the guy next to him, and that isn't happening consistently AT ALL. Two players are bringing everything they have, every game - Bradley and Howard.
The second is built-in consistency. Give Bob credit, he's played A LOT of different players. The downside to that is you don't build familiarity.
The team is playing a lot like they did in early 2007, with the introduction of DeMerit, Bradley Feilhaber and Bornstein. Disjointed at times.
I still believe that if Bob HADN'T tried to progress the program (i.e. Ream-Goodson, Jones, Agudelo) and trotted out the same old guys (The Bruce Arena Way), and started the 11 from the Ghana game, we win on Saturday.
We don't win pretty, I'm sure, but I think we win.
The price of progress? Dunno.
I'm not happy right now, but I'm not fashioning Molotov cocktails yet, either.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 9:52 am to Sheep
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I'm not happy right now, but I'm not fashioning Molotov cocktails yet, either.
Exactly. I'm actually pleased Bob is trying to introduce new, younger players. But we've been a Jekyll and Hyde team for quite a while, it seems, and that sort of consistent inconsistency is slightly perturbing.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 9:56 am to Sheep
Don't get me wrong. I like that we are trying to find new talent and I understand that there is a price to pay for that with the end result being mixed.
At some point he has to say "okay we can field the same 11 guys and get a win" instead of "well we need to give X a shot and hope it works". There is a time and place to "test the waters" and the Gold Cup is neither the time nor place to do that.
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But we've been a Jekyll and Hyde team for quite a while, it seems, and that sort of consistent inconsistency is slightly infuriating.
At some point he has to say "okay we can field the same 11 guys and get a win" instead of "well we need to give X a shot and hope it works". There is a time and place to "test the waters" and the Gold Cup is neither the time nor place to do that.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:27 am to Early Cuyler
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At some point he has to say "okay we can field the same 11 guys and get a win" instead of "well we need to give X a shot and hope it works". There is a time and place to "test the waters" and the Gold Cup is neither the time nor place to do that.
If he had said "field the same 11 guys and get a win", who would he have played? We haven't had a solid back four since Gooch got hurt, our midfield has been changing for lots of reasons, and I don't have to remind you of the shitshow that has been our forward situation.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:36 am to uway
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who would he have played
I would've had Gooch, Lichaj, and Edu in and taken out Ream, Goodson, and Jones (although he has his moments)/Kljestan
Nothing can really be done about the forward situation. Jozy showed promise in the first game, but seems to have regressed; the tools are there, I think its a mental thing with him.
Our "standard" line up:
Howard
Cherundolo(sp?) Gooch Bocanegra Lichaj
Dempsey Bradley Edu Donovan
Jozy/ Aguadelo
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:47 am to Early Cuyler
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Nothing can really be done about the forward situation. Jozy showed promise in the first game, but seems to have regressed; the tools are there, I think its a mental thing with him.
No, his dumb-assed yellow card affected him more than anything.
Panama has two huge, goonish CBs and Altidore got suckered into a shite yellow with Central American bullshite, and as a result couldn't be as physical as he had been up to that point.
Buddle would have been a nice sub for Jozy in the second half.
Posted on 6/13/11 at 11:48 am to Sheep
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Buddle would have been a nice sub for Jozy in the second half.
Yeah I've often wondered why he hasn't been given another shot. I would've liked to see him more.
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