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re: OFFICIAL Liverpool FC 2014-2015 Season Long Thread

Posted on 5/8/15 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
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Posted on 5/8/15 at 1:16 pm to
No one really would, I assume...

My point is that until we start winning consistently or start paying outrageous wages (ain't happening), it's going to be tough to get the top draws..

I agree that Klopp most likely wont happen... I'm guessing BR did just enough with that couple month stretch to save his job... I'd love for FSG to prove me wrong.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 5/8/15 at 3:32 pm to
I think its unlikely he comes but I can guarantee you we're inquiring.
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:12 am to
If I knew we were inquiring it would make me feel a lot better about the direction of the club. I understand we can't spend as much as the four teams above us currently and expansion won't change that position. I would just like to know that we are actively looking to win the league each year and that fifth place and no CL should be considered unacceptable. This club has always punched above its weight class which is one of the reasons a lot of us gravitated toward LFC and didn't just follow the part time sheep to United.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:20 am to
quote:

I understand we can't spend as much as the four teams above us currently and expansion won't change that position


The increased revenue will def help, esp with ffp. City could be on the downfall the next few years.

quote:

This club has always punched above its weight class which is one of the reasons a lot of us gravitated toward LFC and didn't just follow the part time sheep to United.



You need to learn your history and do some research brother.
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 7:34 am
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:35 am to
I think you can make a case for that last season, but we've underperformed this decade, by and large... Actually, since the inception of the EPL, though we've had nice runs during that time were we are on the verge ('05 and possibly '07 being big exceptions)... I think Rafa could have been the guy, but it's all about timing and he had to live with awful owners...

On a side note, I hope it isn't true that we bid £7.2mm for Kovacic.
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 7:37 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:43 am to
quote:

I think you can make a case for that last season, but we've underperformed this decade, by and large... Actually, since the inception of the EPL, though we've had nice runs during that time were we are on the verge ('05 and possibly '07 being big exceptions)... I think Rafa could have been the guy, but it's all about timing and he had to live with awful owners...



I was talking about the whole scale of the club, his jab at United fans being part time is laughable anyway. If you make a statement like that you better back it up with some facts.

Liverpool last year punched above its weight but in general his statement is off by a long shot. Liverpool in the 70's and 80's was the biggest club in England by a long shot and the most wealthy. They bought who ever they wanted, even if he is a post 2005 Pool fan they did not punch above the clubs weight with its European success during the Rafa era. The club was paying big wages and like we have talked about before Liverpool has spent more money on transfers than United since the Premier League started. For starters they broke the transfer record for a British player with Carroll and back in the 90's paid 350k for Jamie Redknapp at 17 making him the most expensive teenager in english history at the time.

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On a side note, I hope it isn't true that we bid £7.2mm for Kovacic.



o wow
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 7:49 am
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23561 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 8:02 am to
I was responding to him, as well... I always just hit reply on the last post.

I'm not going to split hairs about transfers, because we've spent enough to be better... But we have not been on par with wages, with the big boys in quite a while... And that £35mm for Carroll was predicated on the £50mm we received for Torres... It was knee jerk and couldn't have afforded it otherwise... Again, I think net spend and wages is a bigger factor than just transfer fee..

But like I said, we should be better given what we've spent and no doubt we've squandered a lot of money on garbage...

To his original point, we'll probably need to punch above our wait class a bit, to keep a steady place in the top 4... Once we can establish that, we can get back on equal footing... Hopefully..
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 9:48 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 8:08 am to
I think right now it comes down to getting the right manager. Players might just not want to play for BR, he has a sit down with Depay and then boom doesn't get him.

I know its beating a dead horse but Klopp is the guy you need but it comes down to timing. Probably why we didn't get him either. The next few years will be interesting if City can hang on bc they can't spend like gang busters and are already having issues with home grown players. Its about to be put up or shut up for the youth academy, if they slip Liverpool need to assert itself in their spot esp with the increased revenue about to flow into the club. It will make much more match day revenue than City and when it comes to real sponsors they blow City out of the water already. But City is sponsored by its owner.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6196 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Players might just not want to play for BR, he has a sit down with Depay and then boom doesn't get him.
Not saying the first part isn't true, but Depay is a terrible example.

If LvG wanted him, there was no way he was going anywhere other than United
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:25 pm to
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Not saying the first part isn't true, but Depay is a terrible example.

If LvG wanted him, there was no way he was going anywhere other than United



I mean he did fly to meet with Liverpool. PSV did say it came down to the player bw United,PSG and Liverpool. So clearly LvG had the inside track.

But BR can't land big names
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6196 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 12:43 pm to
Oh we were clearly interested despite what BR said. Sure we definitely need a striker, but there's no way we don't make the move I don't think.

But like I said, it didn't matter as soon as LvG showed genuine interest. No way he would've picked anyone else because of his relationship with LvG
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
4231 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 1:02 pm to
I get the club in the 70's and 80's but those days aren't coming back in terms of attracting players. I thought in 05 ( not domestically of course) and 07 along with last year that we produced well above our head. I apologize, I'm a typical American who has only really been watching since the 2005 season. I've read and watched as much as I possibly could about the game, not just LFC. I still have a lot to learn but the opinions of you guys who obviously know more helps a great deal. I don't see FSG outspending any of the top four clubs in our league which is ok as long as we go about in the correct manner. Thanks again and keep the responses coming.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 1:37 pm to
2005 we DEFINITELY punched above our weight in Europe. 2007 we vastly underachieved. What was lost in the glory of the miracle comeback was that we were one of the largest underdogs in the history of the tournament in that final. We weren't supposed to even make it out of the groups. Its a testament to Rafa.

Ironically in 2007, Milan and LFC reversed rolls. We were the heavy favorites and Milan were the underdogs.

I will say though, on the large in the PL era, we've vastly underachieved. Especially in the 90s.
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
4231 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 2:06 pm to
I remember those days just really getting to know what the hell was going on, scrambling to find matches on my computer and certain channels. I remember being really confused how we could not challenge for a domestic title yet being in the finals for the biggest club trophy in the world. I figure in 10 more years I'll figure this game out. It's amazing how different the game is now viewed in this country although I still don't know many guys I hang out with who watch. It's the younger generation that are into the game which bodes well for the future in terms of popularity.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 2:09 pm to
If you're in Nola you should come to Finns to watch the games. We have a pretty big regular group there every weekend. Generally it'd be packed for the game tomorrow but we have nothing to play for and its mother's day. I won't be able to make it but I'm sure a good bit of the crew will be there.
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
4231 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 2:31 pm to
I am and I keep saying Im going to go but end up not for whatever reason. I'll try and make it for one of the last games. Thanks for the heads up.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 2:50 pm to


We have a Nola supporters Facebook page also that's pretty active. Join up. Its all the expats and locals that watch at Finns.
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
4231 posts
Posted on 5/9/15 at 5:30 pm to
Even better, thanks P&G.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
10089 posts
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:07 am to
Starting XI: Mignolet, Johnson, Lovren, Skrtel, Can, Gerrard, Coutinho, Henderson, Lallana, Sterling, Lambert.  

Subs: Ward, Toure, Moreno, Lucas, Allen, Ibe, Sinclair.



I have no clue what the subs are about... None of our typical strikers. Is Lambert playing the whole game?
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23561 posts
Posted on 5/10/15 at 9:13 am to
Sinclair is a 9... if the game is decided either way, we may see him

Im guessing Raheem or Phil moving to a false 9, if Lambert is subbed off and the game is still in question...
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