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re: MLS won't send 1st-team players to US Open Cup in 2024
Posted on 12/20/23 at 3:36 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 12/20/23 at 3:36 pm to chalmetteowl
Can’t do that
MLS’s own roster rules and CBA won’t allow it
MLS’s own roster rules and CBA won’t allow it
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:23 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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MLS’s own roster rules and CBA won’t allow it
USOC games are not MLS games though
Here’s the deal… the billionaire owners of MLS are probably questioning why they need the USOC, the USSF, etc.
They’re trying to be like NFL, NBA, MLB and flex their control of the top teams and players to benefit them. It’d be like if USA basketball tried to tell the NBA how to run their league
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At least give USL D1 status
there’s no “giving” D1 status. They could give NOLA Islanos league D1 status, a lot of good that’s going to do them… quote:
MLS causing other teams to fold is nothing new
The CLT USL team had to fold
SD’s team has had to fold
This is a gem… those teams folded because they knew they couldn’t and wouldn’t compete with a superior league… MLS wouldn’t mind or care one bit if they had tried to make a go of it
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:46 pm to chalmetteowl
Keep holding the water for this fraud of a league
Also you said this
This shows you know nothing once again about this topic. Know who was responsible for promoting the US Open Cup the last 15 years or so?????? The same company MLS owns which is SUM. There are also USL teams that play at better grounds than some MLS franchises.
My god you are clueless, roster rules and CBAs still apply
They want to monopolize American soccer for themselves
Dear god, they already run like other franchises leagues but what are you talking about. This is nothing like USA basketball trying to tell the NBA what to do.
It let’s anyone in the top division of the USL the same stature as MLS if you can’t see how that can benefit them you are dumber than I thought.
So you are ok with MLS bullying its competition out of markets. MLS is scared of competition
Also you said this
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MLS didn’t think the production of the games (especially when lower leagues hosted them) was up to par… they’d been hinting at this.
This shows you know nothing once again about this topic. Know who was responsible for promoting the US Open Cup the last 15 years or so?????? The same company MLS owns which is SUM. There are also USL teams that play at better grounds than some MLS franchises.
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USOC games are not MLS games though
My god you are clueless, roster rules and CBAs still apply
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Here’s the deal… the billionaire owners of MLS are probably questioning why they need the USOC, the USSF, etc.
They want to monopolize American soccer for themselves
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They’re trying to be like NFL, NBA, MLB and flex their control of the top teams and players to benefit them. It’d be like if USA basketball tried to tell the NBA how to run their league
Dear god, they already run like other franchises leagues but what are you talking about. This is nothing like USA basketball trying to tell the NBA what to do.
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there’s no “giving” D1 status. They could give NOLA Islanos league D1 status, a lot of good that’s going to do them…
It let’s anyone in the top division of the USL the same stature as MLS if you can’t see how that can benefit them you are dumber than I thought.
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This is a gem… those teams folded because they knew they couldn’t and wouldn’t compete with a superior league… MLS wouldn’t mind or care one bit if they had tried to make a go of it
So you are ok with MLS bullying its competition out of markets. MLS is scared of competition
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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So you are ok with MLS bullying its competition out of markets. MLS is scared of competition
I don't think that's the case, considering they are more than willing to get raped by Liga MX on the pitch. MLS just likes money and they see more dollar signs with their Liga MX partnership than they do having to legitimize USL.
For the organic growth of soccer in this country, that's not right. But from a selfish economic standpoint, getting in bed with Liga MX at the expense of USL/USSF is 100% the correct move.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Keep holding the water for this fraud of a league
I call it as I see it… I don’t have a team to root for but it is America’s 1st division league that produces the depth of our national team program
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This shows you know nothing once again about this topic. Know who was responsible for promoting the US Open Cup the last 15 years or so?????? The same company MLS owns which is SUM.
Yes, and they left the broadcasts up to the home teams’ standards. The MLS put forth decent professional broadcasts. The lower league teams were hit and miss.
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The decision from U.S. Soccer does not prevent MLS clubs from using players from their academies and Next Pro teams during the Open Cup competition, as has been the case to varying degrees in the past. It is unclear what level of participation from first-team players should be expected given MLS' attempt to remove its first teams altogether.
quote:probably not
There are also USL teams that play at better grounds than some MLS franchises.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:26 pm to chalmetteowl
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I call it as I see it… I don’t have a team to root for but it is America’s 1st division league that produces the depth of our national team program
Meh not really, most the guys now leave MLS academy set ups before even touching the first team. The MLS players who Gregg picks are well trash….
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Yes, and they left the broadcasts up to the home teams’ standards. The MLS put forth decent professional broadcasts. The lower league teams were hit and miss.
No no no, SUM was in charge at the end of the day. SUM could have stepped in a ran all broadcasting and marketing. Do you even know what SUM is?
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probably not
Yep you are clueless
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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most the guys now leave MLS academy set ups before even touching the first team.
...but those MLS academies exist and are a thousand times better at ID'ing and developing talent than the USL academies which are basically on par with what PDL was where 99% of the residents end up making it no further than college.
As for the bit about USL clubs having better grounds than MLS clubs. It's Louisville and that's about it. If you hate how much MLS uses turf, you may need to do some research on the majority of the grounds USL teams are playing on.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:32 pm to Broski
Yes but if USSF gives backing to USL those academies can take off
And we all know these MLS academies were not set up to better American soccer or the national team
So many franchises didn’t even bother and some well frankly still do the bare minimum
Other decided to start them once they saw the money FC Dallas was making
I know some of the shite USL stadiums us it as well. A bunch of the Championship teams are building their own soccer specific stadiums.
Can’t take franchises seriously when they play in NFL stadiums and baseball diamonds. That’s for either league.
And we all know these MLS academies were not set up to better American soccer or the national team
So many franchises didn’t even bother and some well frankly still do the bare minimum
Other decided to start them once they saw the money FC Dallas was making
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As for the bit about USL clubs having better grounds than MLS clubs. It's Louisville and that's about it. If you hate how much MLS uses turf, you may need to do some research on the majority of the grounds USL teams are playing on.
I know some of the shite USL stadiums us it as well. A bunch of the Championship teams are building their own soccer specific stadiums.
Can’t take franchises seriously when they play in NFL stadiums and baseball diamonds. That’s for either league.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:34 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Yes but is USSF gives backing to USL
You keep saying this like this is a foregone conclusion.
USSF doesn't have as much money as you think.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:36 pm to Broski
I edited
Meant to say if not is
Meant to say if not is
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I know, but I'm saying that I don't think USSF would dump a bunch of money into USL if MLS goes full evil villain and leaves it in the dust.
They would put more money into it obviously, but not enough to suddenly create an infrastructure that makes USL the more viable option over MLS for American soccer players.
They would put more money into it obviously, but not enough to suddenly create an infrastructure that makes USL the more viable option over MLS for American soccer players.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:45 pm to Broski
It would clearly take time but everyone has to be in it for the long game
Even though I wouldn’t want it. It would be hilarious if Saudi or Qatar got involved with the USL as a frick you to City’s involvement with MLS.
Those pockets are deep. It would be DS wet dream.
Even though I wouldn’t want it. It would be hilarious if Saudi or Qatar got involved with the USL as a frick you to City’s involvement with MLS.
Those pockets are deep. It would be DS wet dream.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It would clearly take time but everyone has to be in it for the long game
Sure, but that would be a 15-20 year process just to get back to the status quo.
USL is essentially in the same spot as MLS was at the turn of the century when they got rid of all the BS "Americanized" rules and just began playing straight up soccer.
You're asking for domestic soccer to take a severe step back just to stick it to MLS because they are money-hungry for that Liga MX teet.
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Even though I wouldn’t want it. It would be hilarious if Saudi or Qatar got involved with the USL as a frick you to City’s involvement with MLS.
This would be the only way to circumvent the rebuilding process, but then it would just be everything you hate about MLS on a much larger scale.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:14 pm to Broski
At this point my only reason to check on MLS is the youth players who will bolt to Europe the first chance they get.
Actually glad I don’t give MLS any of my money. Not going to take the boys to a CLT match. Will take them up to Raleigh instead.
Actually glad I don’t give MLS any of my money. Not going to take the boys to a CLT match. Will take them up to Raleigh instead.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Not going to take the boys to a CLT match. Will take them up to Raleigh instead.
But why?
Regardless of your feelings of MLS, USL is an inferior product with 95% of the matches devoid of a fan atmosphere.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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No no no, SUM was in charge at the end of the day. SUM could have stepped in a ran all broadcasting and marketing. Do you even know what SUM is?
Yes, Soccer United Marketing
Do you even know what a cost-benefit analysis is? Lower leagues didn’t buy into SUM so why should they reap benefits from it?
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:22 pm to Broski
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But why? Regardless of your feelings of MLS, USL is an inferior product with 95% of the matches devoid of a fan atmosphere.
TBH most MLS atmospheres are not great either, just a bunch of trans and antifa flags now days.
Not going to give money to the machine trying to destroy soccer in this country
Also kids can have a more interactive experience at a USL match
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
It’s is frustrating that there are lots of soccer fans that don’t show up to local teams unless it’s MLS.
I’m looking at you Austin
Not sure how you can consider yourself a fan if you can’t support your local team.
And sadly this is why soccer won’t grow in this country like it has elsewhere.
I’m looking at you Austin
Not sure how you can consider yourself a fan if you can’t support your local team.
And sadly this is why soccer won’t grow in this country like it has elsewhere.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:25 pm to chalmetteowl
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Yes, Soccer United Marketing Do you even know what a cost-benefit analysis is? Lower leagues didn’t buy into SUM so why should they reap benefits from it?
Lower league or non league teams don’t have the same deals at the EPL but they get the financial benefits of playing a EPL team in the FA Cup.
That money does wonders up and down the football pyramid
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:30 pm to lsugorilla
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This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:33 pm
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