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Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:23 pm to pvilleguru
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If you don't think he was off, then you don't know the rules.
I agree with this. I also think for however many years of soccer before VAR, the flag would've stayed down more often than not.
One drawback of replay in most sports is that it applies absolutist views to rules that are relative.
In football, this shows up on catches and at the goal line. In soccer, it shows up on handballs and offsides.
I don't think the offsides rule is meant to prevent goals like that - hence the old "advantage goes to the attacking player" bit, but if we are going to have replay, application of the rule has to be absolute.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 9:50 pm to cwil177
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Dude honest question is this your first time watching soccer
No
But this is the first time venting my frustration about this tournament and FIFA in general.
I mean it's like here in the states - the entire media and leagues want the LA, NY, Chicago teams of the world to make it far in the tournmanet and championship.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:05 pm to Magician2
quote:What does this tournament and FIFA have to do with you not understanding a rule?
But this is the first time venting my frustration about this tournament and FIFA in general.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 10:33 pm to Magician2
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No
But this is the first time venting my frustration about this tournament and FIFA in general.
I mean it's like here in the states - the entire media and leagues want the LA, NY, Chicago teams of the world to make it far in the tournmanet and championship.
You sound like a bitch, to be honest.
Imagine looking at the results the last decade and glossing over all the runs from relatively small teams just because you randomly decided to root for teams with marginally right-wing governments.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:23 pm to Magician2
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Austria is viewed as the right wing country with their current leadership and that does play a part with these eufa officials and trickles down to refs. It's all bullshite.
No, the coalition between Austria's center-right and far-right parties only lasted for two years between 2017 and 2019. It fell apart because of a scandal in the far-right leadership.
The current governing coalition is between the center-right and the progressive left. And "center-right" in Europe is pretty similar to the centrist bloc of the Democratic Party in the United States. They aren't really right-wing by American standards.
Perhaps you are referring to Austria's actions during the 2015-16 migrant crisis, but it is worth noting that Austria took a higher number of migrants per capita than France, the UK, or Spain.
In conclusion, it is wrong to group Austria with Hungary and Poland, both of whom have far-right populist parties with authoritarian leaders who are rolling back civil liberties for specific groups of people. Austria had a right-wing party as the junior partner in a governing coalition as recently as two years ago, but they don't anymore and civil liberties were never threatened in the same ways as in Hungary and Poland.
This post was edited on 6/26/21 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:24 pm to TxTiger82
I'm just here to state that soccer betting is complete bs. If you bet the ML and your team wins, you should win the freaking bet regardless of what point of the game the goals were scored.
End rant.
End rant.
Posted on 6/26/21 at 11:32 pm to Magician2
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I mean it's like here in the states - the entire media and leagues want the LA, NY, Chicago teams of the world to make it far in the tournmanet and championship.
Explain Denmark and Greece, then.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 4:33 am to RandySavage
You can bet on a team to qualify rather than win then.
Why would draw be an option if it wasn't for a 90min result?
I say this as someone who went balls deep on Italy when they hit evens around the 60 minute mark
Why would draw be an option if it wasn't for a 90min result?
I say this as someone who went balls deep on Italy when they hit evens around the 60 minute mark
Posted on 6/27/21 at 5:55 am to RandySavage
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I'm just here to state that soccer betting is complete bs. If you bet the ML and your team wins, you should win the freaking bet regardless of what point of the game the goals were scored.
End rant.
That’s why you need to bet “to advance”
Or “draw no bet”
Of course the odds change for both considering a draw is in play
But I agree, the “regular time” is fricking annoying
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/27/21 at 7:45 am to engvol
I don't think my site lists a "to advance" option. There is a draw no bet option usually but I didn't check to see if there was one for that game or what the odds were on it.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:59 am to RandySavage
Gotcha, this is what i see on DK SportsBook for today’s first game
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:47 am to TxTiger82
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civil liberties were never threatened in the same ways as in Hungary and Poland.
This just isn't true. You can be criminally prosecuted for offensive and insulting speech in almost every Western European country. The AFD in Germany were under constant surveillance by domestic intelligence agencies until a recent court order prohibited it. The Belgian courts shut down the Flemish nationalist Vlaams Blok in 2004 and forced it to completely reorganize as a separate party. European leftists are no fans of civil liberties, but because their main targets are right-wing populists and not the LGBT community, this is ignored.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:13 am to SCLibertarian
Short version: GTFO with your Poli Board crazy love affair with Viktor Orban.
Long version: Yes, it is true that Hungary and Poland have rolled back civil liberties under their right-wing leadership, and this has been documented by multiple international agencies and non-profits, including Freedom House, which downgraded their rating of Hungary from "Free" to "Partly Free" and V-Dem, which no longer considers Hungary to be a democracy but rather an electoral authoritarian regime.
I first brought this stuff up to defend Austria and dispel this crackpot theory that UEFA is biased against Austria for being right-wing. That is a ridiculous theory for three reasons -- (1) there is no reason to think UEFA would discriminate against a right-wing country; (2) Austria is not right-wing like Hungary and Poland, and (3) the offsides call was a good one and verified by VAR.
I'm going to stop now with the political talk to spare everyone else.
Long version: Yes, it is true that Hungary and Poland have rolled back civil liberties under their right-wing leadership, and this has been documented by multiple international agencies and non-profits, including Freedom House, which downgraded their rating of Hungary from "Free" to "Partly Free" and V-Dem, which no longer considers Hungary to be a democracy but rather an electoral authoritarian regime.
I first brought this stuff up to defend Austria and dispel this crackpot theory that UEFA is biased against Austria for being right-wing. That is a ridiculous theory for three reasons -- (1) there is no reason to think UEFA would discriminate against a right-wing country; (2) Austria is not right-wing like Hungary and Poland, and (3) the offsides call was a good one and verified by VAR.
I'm going to stop now with the political talk to spare everyone else.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:17 am to TxTiger82
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Short version: GTFO with your Poli Board crazy love affair with Viktor Orban.
Show me where in my post history I have ever heaped praise on Orban. You can't, so stop with your slanderous bullshite. Second, freedom of speech is a civil liberty. Being free from surveillance over a political belief is a civil liberty. Western European countries fail at these just as much as Poland and Hungary. Just because you abhor right-wing populism doesn't make censorship and surveillance any less abhorrent.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:21 am to SCLibertarian
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This just isn't true.
Actually it is
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You can be criminally prosecuted for offensive and insulting speech in almost every Western European country.
Which also an issue that proves the left is also out of touch
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The AFD in Germany were under constant surveillance by domestic intelligence agencies until a recent court order prohibited it.
Bc they have Nazi ties, the AFD got big in the state my wife is from and they were involved in not only Nazi shite but organized crime shite. Maybe not the top leaders but a lot of their support and mid tier members.
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European leftists are no fans of civil liberties, but because their main targets are right-wing populists and not the LGBT community, this is ignored.
It proves both sides are hypocrites, but Western Europe has been more progressive than the east for a long time so it’s too be expected.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:22 am to SCLibertarian
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Show me where in my post history I have ever heaped praise on Orban. You can't, so stop with your slanderous bullshite. Second, freedom of speech is a civil liberty. Being free from surveillance over a political belief is a civil liberty. Western European countries fail at these just as much as Poland and Hungary. Just because you abhor right-wing populism doesn't make censorship and surveillance any less abhorrent.
I've made my case and you've made yours. I would prefer to shift the focus back to soccer. We're not going to agree.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:23 am to TxTiger82
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I've made my case and you've made yours. I would prefer to shift the focus back to soccer. We're not going to agree.
Agreed
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:31 am to SCLibertarian
The Dutch have taken over Budapest
Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:34 am to StraightCashHomey21
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