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re: Landon Donovan sets MLS record of 136 goals (2 goals and assist)
Posted on 5/26/14 at 2:50 pm to sawillis
Posted on 5/26/14 at 2:50 pm to sawillis
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I support the 23 in the uniform and the coach fully. Goodson is coming across as butthurt and whiney to me.
All trolling aside, this is my thought process.
Leaving him off was obviously stupid, but trying to pretend there isn't a valid argument to do so is being naive. He does bring problems, but the question has always been whether those problems outweigh the benefits. I agree that they do not, but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that LD in the squad is 100% upside and 0% downside.
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Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I agree that they do not, but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend that LD in the squad is 100% upside and 0% downside.
Aside from Bradley (and Howard) is there a player in the squad you can't say that about?
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:15 pm to Sheep
I love that in one game Landon got rid of the one stat - goals scored in MLS this season - that Brad Davis had over Landon. 
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:18 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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you can't really do that comparison and have it make any sense. parkhurst played all of one game that you mentioned and eddie johnson played pretty much all of the other.
It makes sense in the perspective of why I am not doom and gloom over Landon not being included, which to me is kind of relevant right now. EJ didn't make the 30 and didn't deserve to go.
Parkhurst suffered the fate of being in one of the most athletic wing groups in the World Cup. You are in a group with Ghana, Portugal and Germany...You need athletic players. It's why Yedlin and Chandler were selected over Evans and Parkhurst. I would be that Brooks is more mobile and athletic than Goodson as well. This 23 is all about matchups and attributes.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:20 pm to Sheep
No, there isn't. So you have to make a judgment call on each. JK made his. I don't agree with it, you don't agree with it. But to go to the extreme of saying you can't support him or the team because if it doesn't make any sense to me (not you specifically).
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:20 pm to BamaChick
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I love that in one game Landon got rid of the one stat - goals scored in MLS this season - that Brad Davis had over Landon.
What about the Landon goals to EJ Red Cards...still even.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:43 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I haven't seen anyone on this board say they won't be supporting the team in Brazil.
And I've seen a lot of people with my attitude - I'm withholding final judgment on Klinsmann until I see what happens in Brazil.
I think the decision is 100% wrong but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
And I'm not going to lie, I will always hold this against Klinsmann. I can support our team and still think this was an stupid decision.
I had embraced Klinsmann with open arms but now he isn't Jurgy to me, he is just Klinsmann - a hired gun who deserves to be analyzed closely if it seems he is making decisions that are not to the benefit of US Soccer.
And I've seen a lot of people with my attitude - I'm withholding final judgment on Klinsmann until I see what happens in Brazil.
I think the decision is 100% wrong but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
And I'm not going to lie, I will always hold this against Klinsmann. I can support our team and still think this was an stupid decision.
I had embraced Klinsmann with open arms but now he isn't Jurgy to me, he is just Klinsmann - a hired gun who deserves to be analyzed closely if it seems he is making decisions that are not to the benefit of US Soccer.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:49 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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But to go to the extreme of saying you can't support him or the team because if it doesn't make any sense to me (not you specifically).
You can absolutely support the team and still want the coach shitcanned.
Virtually everyone wanted Bob Bradley fired before he even got the "interim" tag off his title.
And after he finished atop the hex, and won the group in South Africa.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:57 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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He does bring problems, but the question has always been whether those problems outweigh the benefits.
What are the real problems he brings? I am curious to know.
All I have seen is the wildly negative reaction since his exclusion. The fact that veterans of the team and respected former members are flabbergasted does not seem like the "problems" are outweighing the benefits. Seriously, what is the downside?
Posted on 5/26/14 at 3:58 pm to BamaChick
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I haven't seen anyone on this board say they won't be supporting the team in Brazil
There were a few on the night of the announcement. I'd like to think it was the emotion speaking.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:00 pm to Sheep
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You can absolutely support the team and still want the coach shitcanned.
Right, but that wasn't what I was reading the other night.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:03 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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What are the real problems he brings? I am curious to know.
His age, his fitness, his attitude. These have been pretty well known for awhile now. I'm not saying it's justified, because I don't believe it is. But it's a legitimate reason to make that judgment call, however wrong that call was. And although we don't agree with the call, it's no reason to be at the point where one can't support the squad in Brazil. That's just an extreme overreaction.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:03 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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There were a few on the night of the announcement. I'd like to think it was the emotion speaking.
Nah, I think I made the most extreme posts, and I still never said I wanted the US to lose. I want Jurgen gone.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:05 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Donovan's attitude problems include writing Five for Fighting lyrics on the white board and wearing too many rope bracelets.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:07 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I didn't say anyone wanted the team to lose. I said people were claiming it would be hard to support the team in Brazil now.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:08 pm to hendersonshands
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wearing too many rope bracelets.
Don't pretend like this isn't a big deal.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:09 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I was going to say VKC made the statement that most closely resemble what you are saying - no offense VKC 
- be he never once said he wanted the USA to lose or he wouldn't support our team. And he backed off the most extreme statements after a couple of hours.
Literally 0% of the biggest critics of this decision - me, rockchalk, Broski, Sheep, even VKC etc. - have never said we wouldn't support the team.
ALL of our ire has been aimed at Klinsmann and unfortunately by default, Brad Davis and a little bit towards Wondo only because they are seen as the players that took Landon's spot.
- be he never once said he wanted the USA to lose or he wouldn't support our team. And he backed off the most extreme statements after a couple of hours. Literally 0% of the biggest critics of this decision - me, rockchalk, Broski, Sheep, even VKC etc. - have never said we wouldn't support the team.
ALL of our ire has been aimed at Klinsmann and unfortunately by default, Brad Davis and a little bit towards Wondo only because they are seen as the players that took Landon's spot.
This post was edited on 5/26/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:09 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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His age
Dumbest shite ever. Should France have sat Zidane in 2006? Why did Pirlo go to the last Euros?
Obviously, they are world class football legends, while Donovan is an American soccer legend, but who gives a shite about age if you are still good enough to start.
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his fitness
Based on recent reports, this looks false. Maybe Donovan takes longer to get fit? It is absolutely worth the risk.
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his attitude
He has been the face of the national team for nearly his life. It is tiresome. I have never heard any issues of his attitude. The sabbatical was not ideal, but no one was bitching about him getting a shot back on the squad. Obviously, it was not a fair shot because Jurgen did not want him there.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:10 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I said people were claiming it would be hard to support the team in Brazil now.
Not here.
Hard to support Klinsmann =/= hard to support the USMNT.
I would think an LSU fan of all people can understand being angry with the coach but still supporting the team.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 4:10 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I imagine the truth would have gone over as well as the bay of pigs. Jurgen isn't trying to win this world cup. He's using it to buy mercenaries for the next four years of his reign.
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