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re: Is Klinsmann delusional, or is he being coy?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:15 am to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:15 am to Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:19 am to pvilleguru
Our CBs that everyone is hating on gave up only one goal on very few chances in a game that we had plenty of chances on the other end against possibly the best Jamaican team ever. I think this is just a case of overreacting like people do after every loss.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:23 am to Dijkstra
Every single thing we thought was fricked up during the Gold Cup was something that should have been worked on in friendlies.
1. We have a hard time establishing width, especially on the left side of the midfield.
- Jurgen's response: Danny Williams, Alfredo Morales, Wil Trapp, various center mids being stuck out on the left.
- Gold Cup: Fabian Johnson literally played left back and left mid for one game while Morales played as an extra center mid. Gyasi Zardes, a striker, looked lost out there the rest of the tournament.
2. Bradley isn't a very good #10 and if Bradley isn't playing as a 6, we only have Beckerman with any experience. The problem is that Beckerman can't handle being a single pivot against certain teams a la Jamaica.
- Jurgen's response: call in a bunch of defensive mids during friendlies and play them all on the left side of a diamond formation that never works or just as a straight up left mid. Also tried Alejando Bedoya at center mid for shiggles.
- Gold Cup: he brings in Alfredo Morales a young defensive mid, plays him out wide where he looks like shite. Then drops him after the group stage. Michael Bradley continues playing higher up the field, Beckerman is our only remaining defensive mid and he gets dominated by Jamaica again.
3. We need a reliable center back pairing going forward. The spine of your team is the most important part and your center backs are vital for that. We have one reliable center back in Matt Besler and a bunch of young and inconsistent players to choose from as a partner.
Gold Cup: Jürgen doesn't even bring in Besler. Alvarado looks awful except an odd 30 or so competent minutes. Alvarado and Brooks are both kind of morons - they become our number one pairing. Both guys frick up on the first goal against Jamaica. Seriously, neither guy responded to the throw.
These aren't second guesses, these are things that I and others have been pointing out for a while now. I kept saying that it's great to experiment in friendlies but they need to have a purpose to them which none of them really did.
There needs to be a plan. We have no identity and we waste the opportunities that we have to create one.
It's frustrating as frick.
1. We have a hard time establishing width, especially on the left side of the midfield.
- Jurgen's response: Danny Williams, Alfredo Morales, Wil Trapp, various center mids being stuck out on the left.
- Gold Cup: Fabian Johnson literally played left back and left mid for one game while Morales played as an extra center mid. Gyasi Zardes, a striker, looked lost out there the rest of the tournament.
2. Bradley isn't a very good #10 and if Bradley isn't playing as a 6, we only have Beckerman with any experience. The problem is that Beckerman can't handle being a single pivot against certain teams a la Jamaica.
- Jurgen's response: call in a bunch of defensive mids during friendlies and play them all on the left side of a diamond formation that never works or just as a straight up left mid. Also tried Alejando Bedoya at center mid for shiggles.
- Gold Cup: he brings in Alfredo Morales a young defensive mid, plays him out wide where he looks like shite. Then drops him after the group stage. Michael Bradley continues playing higher up the field, Beckerman is our only remaining defensive mid and he gets dominated by Jamaica again.
3. We need a reliable center back pairing going forward. The spine of your team is the most important part and your center backs are vital for that. We have one reliable center back in Matt Besler and a bunch of young and inconsistent players to choose from as a partner.
Gold Cup: Jürgen doesn't even bring in Besler. Alvarado looks awful except an odd 30 or so competent minutes. Alvarado and Brooks are both kind of morons - they become our number one pairing. Both guys frick up on the first goal against Jamaica. Seriously, neither guy responded to the throw.
These aren't second guesses, these are things that I and others have been pointing out for a while now. I kept saying that it's great to experiment in friendlies but they need to have a purpose to them which none of them really did.
There needs to be a plan. We have no identity and we waste the opportunities that we have to create one.
It's frustrating as frick.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:24 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yes it is you buffoon. Every time you can presumably call in your A squad, it's a big deal
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:24 am to pvilleguru
quote:I can actually agree with that.
I would say that this one wasn't a big deal. We were already guaranteed a spot in the playoff. If there was ever a time to experiment during a tournament, it was this summer.
He better not screw around with the playoff though. Which at this point I have zero confidence.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:26 am to Pedro
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Against Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Beckerman is essential. Against Jamaica & Honduras he gets overrun athletically.
Beckerman should absolutely have been on the roster, and started some games. Just not this one.
I don't know why the coach doesn't see that. I suspect it's because he's not a very good coach.
- The Armchair Analyst
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:28 am to etm512
quote:
Holy shite that entire quote from armchair
To me this is the most depressing part:
quote:
the US was outshot by a combined 50-20 by Honduras, Haiti, and Panama, three relatively mediocre teams, in the group stage of a tournament we hosted in front of pro-US crowds.
Can I cry now?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:29 am to Stewie Griffin
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To me, the Besler case is the most damning thing on Jurgen's resume for the US so far.
Actually, the justification is really the same from Jurgen's view I think. Besler had a REALLY shitty run for a while with SKC after the World Cup. It's not fair, but he'll always value someone hustling in a higher European league than someone struggling in MLS even if they turn it around. I think he'll be back in the mix, though.
I mean, do we really believe that Besler was left off because of the three-a-day thing? Or was this one of those "Leave him out to motivate him" type of things Jurgen does where he makes players hate him and play in spite of him for leaving them out? I think Besler will be back in the mix.
Obviously, I am still a fan of Jurgen and support him as manager even if I am frustrated with some of his choices, but I totally agree that this was the tournament to tinker around in. As awful as we played, we easily could have put 3-4 in on Jamaica and be in the Final. If we take care of business in the Confederations Cup playoff, I won't give a second thought to this result. We've dropped matches to teams like this before, and we'll do it again. This whole "WORST LOSS IN US SOCCER HISTORY!" bullshite and the shitstorm following it is really something else to me. I'm not sure if I should be happy that people give a shite now or upset that I've now got constant misery and pessimism to deal with with yet another team I support.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:34 am to hendersonshands
I wish we could combine Klinsmann's recruitment powers, motivational speeches, and technical director skills with Bob's player management skills (getting the most out of what we have) and Arena's tactical acumen into one, solid American mega coach.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:36 am to Dijkstra
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Actually, the justification is really the same from Jurgen's view I think. Besler had a REALLY shitty run for a while with SKC after the World Cup. It's not fair, but he'll always value someone hustling in a higher European league than someone struggling in MLS even if they turn it around. I think he'll be back in the mix, though.
I mean, do we really believe that Besler was left off because of the three-a-day thing? Or was this one of those "Leave him out to motivate him" type of things Jurgen does where he makes players hate him and play in spite of him for leaving them out? I think Besler will be back in the mix.
We can't try to make sense of club form having ANYTHING to do with call ups with Jurgen. Benny has been on fire and Mix has frankly been underwhelming for ManCityNYC. Corona has been meh for club and poo for country. But of course they are both "a little bit ahead" of Feilhaber right now, despite him playing like the MLS MVP.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:37 am to hendersonshands
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2. Bradley isn't a very good #10 and if Bradley isn't playing as a 6, we only have Beckerman with any experience. The problem is that Beckerman can't handle being a single pivot against certain teams a la Jamaica.
- Jurgen's response: call in a bunch of defensive mids during friendlies and play them all on the left side of a diamond formation that never works or just as a straight up left mid. Also tried Alejando Bedoya at center mid for shiggles.
- Gold Cup: he brings in Alfredo Morales a young defensive mid, plays him out wide where he looks like shite. Then drops him after the group stage. Michael Bradley continues playing higher up the field, Beckerman is our only remaining defensive mid and he gets dominated by Jamaica again.
You left out playing Mix as the defensive mid as well
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:39 am to cwil177
I agree on Mix, which is really disappointing because I really like him as a player. I'd have liked to see Feilhaber or, shite, Lee Nguyen. I have complete confidence that Morris would have come in had he been healthy because Jurgen loves that guy.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:50 am to Dijkstra
given the team injuries and circumstances, wouldn't have any manager on the face of the earth have:
Put Bradley at DM and Mix at 10
Subbed out a invisible zardes at the half.
not have brought F'in Gordon WHO HAS NOT PLAYED for the USMNT almost ever.
Not used an unproven Alvarado at CB, when we have Besler and Gonazalez who have both proved they are capable.
I like Jurgen overall, but he really screwed this tournament.
Put Bradley at DM and Mix at 10
Subbed out a invisible zardes at the half.
not have brought F'in Gordon WHO HAS NOT PLAYED for the USMNT almost ever.
Not used an unproven Alvarado at CB, when we have Besler and Gonazalez who have both proved they are capable.
I like Jurgen overall, but he really screwed this tournament.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:57 am to pvilleguru
Where were all these chances to put "four or five in"? We were lucky to get the one we got and the only other really good chance I can think of was when Dempsey slipped in 1v1 in the first half but had a tough angle with an on rushing keeper.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:00 pm to pvilleguru
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Brad Evans and Beckerman sure didn't help them out at all.
WTF did Brad Evans do? I thought he was at least good enough, if not just plain good last night.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:01 pm to RandySavage
Johannson kinda created a chance out of nothing when he pressured the keeper but I'd hardly call that a chance if I am trying to attribute chances to playing well. Great effort for sure and well done from Aron but it's dishonest to say we are "creating chances" and then refer to that IMO
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:05 pm to RandySavage
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Where were all these chances to put "four or five in"? We were lucky to get the one we got and the only other really good chance I can think of was when Dempsey slipped in 1v1 in the first half but had a tough angle with an on rushing keeper.
AJ missed the sitter of a header
Brooks open header right at the keeper
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:15 pm to etm512
There wereally some that would have been goals if they weren't shot right at the keeper. There were some that would have been good chances if the final pass was better. Either way, we had a hell of a lot more chances to score than Jamaica did.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:18 pm to Sheep
quote:I saw him lose the ball quite a bit and I felt he did a poor job of stopping attacks coming down his side. He about let one guy back him down all the way to the six yard box but luckily I think Bedoya or Alvarado came over and stopped the guy.
WTF did Brad Evans do? I thought he was at least good enough, if not just plain good last night.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:39 pm to Sheep
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WTF did Brad Evans do? I thought he was at least good enough, if not just plain good last night.
Evans was our second best player last night behind Johnson. He was quite good.
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