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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
Posted on 3/4/18 at 2:42 pm to Masterag
Posted on 3/4/18 at 2:42 pm to Masterag
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I’m guessing y’all aren’t old enough to have seen zidane control and dictate an entire game by himself. Think YaYa 2014-15 for a solid decade.
That's not true. Zidane had a lot of ups and downs. I watched him plenty. Someone on Bigsoccer did a career retrospective on him as well, and he had long periods of inconsistency. He was a fantastic attacking midfielder nonetheless, but he could never do what Messi does. Messi controls the game, can dictate play, can dribble, can score, can assist; Messi could play as a DLP and be among the best in the world and he could play exclusively as a striker and be the best in the world. Messi's passing is unreal, he carries the ball as good as anyone who has ever played the game, and his close control combined with his power and quickness make him difficult to stop.
Zidane is a fantastic player, but Messi is on another level.
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Posted on 3/4/18 at 2:43 pm to hendersonshands
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Brazilian Ronaldo was the best player I had ever seen until Messi came along.
Fat Ronaldo was still a great player when he was fat. Strikers with that much pace and power seem to be in short supply now.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 2:55 pm to apfour21
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This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/4/18 at 3:37 pm to Masterag
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I’m guessing y’all aren’t old enough to have seen zidane control and dictate an entire game by himself.
I guess you haven't seen Messi over the last decade.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 4:09 pm to Broski
Messi scored 91 goals in a year 
Posted on 3/4/18 at 4:47 pm to jackwoods4
Serie A had some great midfielders in the early-mid 2000s
Nedved was unstoppable on fifa 2003
Nedved was unstoppable on fifa 2003
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:21 pm to TheIrishFro
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Messi carried Argentina to the final.
Round of 16: 1 assist, 0 goals
Quarterfinals: 0 assists, 0 goals
Semifinals: 0 assists, 0 goals
Final: 0 assists, 0 goals
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:24 pm to RebelVol
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Round of 16: 1 assist, 0 goals
Quarterfinals: 0 assists, 0 goals
Semifinals: 0 assists, 0 goals
Final: 0 assists, 0 goals
You didn't watch any of these matches.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:31 pm to Broski
quote:“my favorite internet argument”
You didn't watch any of these matches.
Hard to carry a team when you don’t do the most essential part of the game, scoring
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:34 pm to RebelVol
I mean, if you don't think Messi had any effect on those matches, you're insane.
Sorry if that's the correct argument to take.
Messi was the focal point of everything Argentina did in Brazil.
Sorry if that's the correct argument to take.
Messi was the focal point of everything Argentina did in Brazil.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:42 pm to Broski
Messi was the focal point of their defending? Messi has a chance to either win it late or tie it up late can’t remember and blew it. He’s amazing but it’s revisionist history to act like he was some driving force in that WC run
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:45 pm to RebelVol
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Hard to carry a team when you don’t do the most essential part of the game, scoring
Franz Beckenbauer, Paolo Maldini, Fabio Cannavaro, Patrick Vieira, N'Golo Kante, Xavi, etc. . .
never carried a team?
You can argue that he wasn't at his best in the World Cup if you want, but don't make stupid statements that devalue your argument immediately.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:50 pm to RebelVol
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Hard to carry a team when you don’t do the most essential part of the game, scoring
Well he was partly injured, and Argentina had a bunch of problems in midfield and upfront. Messi created 23 chances, the most in the tourney, he had as many successful dribbles, 46, as the second most player, Robben, had total dribbles, and Higuain and Aguero played like garbage that tournament. Messi often had to receive the ball very deep just to get the attack going, and received very little help from his strikers, and he didn't have a passer in midfield to help him get the ball higher up the field.
He played really well in the Switzerland and Netherlands games from what I recall, but he didn't play as well in the Belgium game, which is the one game Higuain actually scored. Overall he created 13 chances in the knockout rounds; he just wasn't helped very much by his teammates. That's why his final stat line is a bit misleading, and why he won the Golden Ball, despite not having as flashy of stats as Muller.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:53 pm to RandySavage
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Messi was the focal point of their defending? Messi has a chance to either win it late or tie it up late can’t remember and blew it. He’s amazing but it’s revisionist history to act like he was some driving force in that WC run
But he was. He created 31% of Argentina's total chances that tournament. He had very little help, which is plainly obvious when you watched the games. Aguero and Higuian were historically bad. He also scored 50% of the total goals Argentina scored that tournament.
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 3/4/18 at 6:58 pm to hendersonshands
quote:did his job, as a defender. same goes for Maldini and Cannavaro.
Franz Beckenbauer
Vieira never played as an attacking mid.
quote:has never even played in a World Cup
Kante
quote:
You can argue literally anything you want, but don't make stupid statements that devalue your argument immediately.
Point is, Messi is an attacker. What does an attacker do? Score.
What did you name? Defenders. What do defenders do? It’s a weak counter argument.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 7:04 pm to RebelVol
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Point is, Messi is an attacker. What does an attacker do? Score.
But watching the games, you'd realize where he was receiving the ball, which was 50 yards from goal. He had very little midfield or forward line help. Lavezzi, Aguero, and Higuian all had poor tournaments. Despite this he still created plenty of chances, and was tied for 3rd in goals scored in the tournament. He also contributed to 50% of the total goals scored by Argentina that tournament. That he assisted one time in the knockout stages doesn't mean he had a poor tournament. That's a very weak argument.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 7:05 pm to RebelVol
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has never even played in a World Cup
He was most of the reason Leicester won a Premier League title, which is much more of an authentic sample size than a World Cup.
The point is that you can very easily control games without scoring goals. Crazy already pointed out the impact Messi had.
Posted on 3/4/18 at 7:12 pm to RebelVol
I'm sorry but I just can't GIVE the guy the GOAT status when he completely shite the bed on the retirement penalty. That's supposedly the easiest of all for these greats and he has routinely fricked it up.
He is great at all those other things you guys have said.
To me it's all about goals and scoring and the guy I watch game after game scoring every way possible is cr7.
Yes I have a man crush but the guy is a winner and he is an arrogant prick....but he seems to always shine on the biggest stages and for me that's what I will go with.
Disclaimer.....I have 1/32 the soccer knowledge of crazy and others on this forum
He is great at all those other things you guys have said.
To me it's all about goals and scoring and the guy I watch game after game scoring every way possible is cr7.
Yes I have a man crush but the guy is a winner and he is an arrogant prick....but he seems to always shine on the biggest stages and for me that's what I will go with.
Disclaimer.....I have 1/32 the soccer knowledge of crazy and others on this forum
This post was edited on 3/4/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/4/18 at 7:12 pm to crazy4lsu
He was not poor but he did nothing memorable either
Posted on 3/4/18 at 7:15 pm to WHATDOINO
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To me it's all about goals and scoring and the guy I watch game after game scoring every way possible is cr7.
Messi at age 30, 373 goals since 2004, 61 goals for country since 2005.
Roanldo at age 33, 388 goals for club since 2002, 79 goals for country since 2003.
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