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pvilleguru
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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When we measure players we measure them on their championships

That's a terrible way to measure players in a team sport. It's even worse to measure them based on a tournament that's only once every 4 years.
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NewbombII
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
When we measure players we measure them on their championships

"That's a terrible way to measure players in a team sport. It's even worse to measure them based on a tournament that's only once every 4 years."

Go out and get in a Pro Football who is the best QB in history debate. What comes up who won the championships.


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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
Yeah but it's not like Messi hadn't won titles. The international game is a completely different beast, one that requires top down organization from the FA to the national team. Argentina has finished as a runner up in its last three international tournaments. All the while the Argentine FA has been in shambles. Messi's international record is quite good overall. His domestic career has been better than other top players too.


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WarSlamEagle
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Go out and get in a Pro Football who is the best QB in history debate. What comes up who won the championships.

That doesn’t make it right.


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pvilleguru
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Go out and get in a Pro Football who is the best QB in history debate. What comes up who won the championships.

Doesn't make those people not retarded for relying on that largely meaningless stat.


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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Go out and get in a Pro Football who is the best QB in history debate. What comes up who won the championships.

And those people are idiots


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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
This debate has gotten a little Messi.


lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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This debate has gotten a little Messi.



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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
OH YOU


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lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
Its hard to argue across time, position, team, competition. But I do enjoy the arguments.


NewbombII
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
"Its hard to argue across time, position, team, competition. But I do enjoy the arguments."

Its not if you look at the players and coaches that agree that Pele was/is the best ever.


pvilleguru
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Its not if you look at the players and coaches that agree that Pele was/is the best ever.


It appears that a lot of those quotes exclude the last 40 years.

And I'm not even advocating for Messi as GOAT.
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lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Its not if you look at the players and coaches that agree that Pele was/is the best ever.


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"I like Messi a lot, he’s a great player. Technically, we’re practically at the same level." - Pele

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"I have never seen anyone like Leo Messi. He is a miracle from God! I like it when he does his things on the field. It's not jealousy - I feel good, for instance, when he nutmegs someone." - Arda Turan
"Once they said they can only stop me with a pistol. Today you need a machine gun to stop Messi." - Hristo Stoichkov
"Messi is the Mozart of football." - Radomir Antic
"It is clear that Messi is on a level above all others. Those who do not see that are blind." - Xavi
"For me, to watch Messi play is a pleasure – it’s like having an orgasm – it’s an incredible pleasure." - Luis Figo
"This Barca will be remembered as Messi’s Barca. He’s well above anything else I’ve ever seen. He’s an alien." - Messi's former team-mate Carles Puyol
"Messi is the best in the world without any doubt and for me the history of football." Luis Enrique
"Messi is God, as a person and even more as a player. I knew him when he was a boy and I’ve watched him grow. He deserves it all." - Samuel Eto'o
"Although he may not be human, it’s good that Messi still thinks he is." - Javier Mascherano
"They tell me that all men are equal in God’s eyes, this player makes you seriously think about those words." - Football commentator Ray Hudson
"Newton and Einstein had a certain level of autism - I hope that, like them, Messi surpasses himself every day and continues to give us his beautiful brand of football." - Romario
"Life with Leo is prettier, of another colour." - Barcelona president Josep Maria Bartomeu
"There are three or four important things in life: books, friends, women… and Messi." - Portuguese writer Antonio Lobo Antunes
"Barca will never have a player like Messi again. Messi’s greatness is present on and off the field of play." - ex-Barcelona president Sandro Rosell
"Seeing Messi play is like watching a video game… What Messi does on a football field is simply unthinkable… The way he walks from side to side, and once he sees an opportunity, he simply creates magic." - tennis superstar Victoria Azarenka
"He is an anomaly. The rest will have to wait until he falls off a little bit.” - Dutch legend Edgar Davids

"Messi is class. There is him, and then there is the rest. What he does is extraordinary." - Franck Ribery

"We give him the ball and stand back and watch. People often say to me they saw Pele and Maradona play. In the future, I will be able to say I saw Messi play." - Thiago Alcantara
"He is always going forwards. He never passes the ball backwards or sideways. He has only one idea, to run towards the goal. So as a football fan, just enjoy the show." - Zinedine Zidane
"He sees passes that most people can only see whilst watching the game on TV, not ones that you can normally see on the pitch." - ex-Barcelona manager Tata Martino
"He does not really seem human to me." - Luis Enrique
"For the world of football, Messi is a treasure because he is a role model for children around the world… Messi will be the player to win the most Ballons d’Or in history. He will win five, six, seven. He is incomparable. He’s in a different league." - Johan Cruyff

"I have played against Platini, Maradona, Cruyff and played with George Best — a lot of big names, but none of them has been able to do what Messi does. Two years ago I said that the best player I played against was Maradona and the best player I have played with was Bestie. But I can now say I have never seen a player as good as Messi. He’s in a league of his own." - Former Tottenham star Gerry Armstrong
"Diego [Maradona] filled us with emotions. But between the cracks, without doubt, Messi is better than Maradona." - Diego Simeone
"There is no doubt, you’re from another galaxy. Thanks Leo." - Maxi Rodriguez "Who is the Best Player in the World? Leo Messi. Who is the Best Player Ever? Leo Messi." -Arsene Wenger
"I have seen the player who will inherit my place in Argentine football and his name is Messi. Messi is a genius." - Diego Maradona
"I like Messi a lot, he’s a great player. Technically, we’re practically at the same level." - Pele
"Messi or Ronaldo best player in the world? In the world, I would say Ronaldo. Messi is from another planet." - Turkish international Arda Turan
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lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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"Messi does not need his right foot. He only uses the left and he’s still the best in the world. Imagine if he also used his right foot, Then we would have serious problems." - Zlatan Ibrahimovic
"Fella’s a genius. Best ever by a distance in my life time. Never really saw Pele… Souness, Gullit, Venables and now Rooney agree Messi is the best they have seen. He plays a game with which we are not familiar." - Gary Lineker
"I played with Romario, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Laudrup and Stoichkov but Messi is the best I’ve seen." - Former Barcelona and Chelsea star Albert Ferrer
"It feels good to be in the same generation as him. I believe he’s the best player in the history of the sport." - Gerard Pique "Messi defies the laws of anatomy, he must have an extra bone in his ankle." - Argentina's 1986 World Cup-winning coach Carlos Bilardo
"Who’s better, Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo? Messi. Ronaldo is good, but Messi is 10 times better." - Dutch star Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
"Lionel Messi is quite clearly the best player ever. It’s a pleasure to pit myself against him and when I finish my career it’s something I can look back on and know I’ve tested myself against the very best." - John Terry
"In my entire life I have never seen a player of such quality and personality at such a young age, particularly wearing the ‘heavy’ shirt of one of the world’s great clubs... Before a game, you can plan for everything. But Messi can produce a move that no-one expects and change the game in an instant." - Fabio Capello
"Messi has a divine gift." - Dani Alves "Messi is better than Maradona; he is more complete, more consistent, more spectacular. He is reinventing the game – a mix of the real and the virtual." - Tostão
"I am not crazy enough to compare myself with Messi because he is the best there ever was and the best there will ever be." - Mario Gomez
"I was a big fan of Maradona growing up and of the current crop Ronaldo is good but Messi is the best I’ve ever seen. I don’t dish out praise lightly but Messi deserves it. I look for weaknesses in his game and I can’t find them." - Roy Keane
"Messi is the best player ever. And this is said by someone who has seen Maradona and Pele play." - AC Milan chief Adriano Galliani
"He is the best in the world. Football seems easy when he plays it." - Bacary Sagna
"I wear the number 10 Jersey for the US National Team in honour of the Greatest athlete I have ever seen: Messi." - Kobe Bryant
"The only bad thing about Ronaldo’s life is Messi. If it was not for him, Ronaldo would be the best player in the world for five years in a row." - Felipe Scolari
"I can’t believe anyone can have played the game of football as well as Messi." - Michael Owen
"Is Messi a real player or a PlayStation character?" - Radamel Falcao "Messi is a genius. He has everything. When I watch him, I see a player who is very, very, skilful, very clever and his left foot is like Diego Maradona’s." - Franz Beckenbauer
"Messi or Cristiano? Cristiano Ronaldo is very good, but I prefer Messi. He’s incredible." - Gheorghe Hagi
"Comparing CR7 to Messi is an exercise of ignorance in football. Messi is Messi and others, footballers." - Spanish manager Miguel Angel Lotina
"The other day I saw one of his games. He was running with the ball at a hundred per cent full speed, I don’t know how many touches he took, maybe five or six, but the ball was glued to his foot. It’s practically impossible." - Real Madrid legend Raul
"If he is so good, how can you express that? The superlatives ran out ages ago. On these pages, swearing has been tried. Or perhaps a symbol, something to signify that we have gone beyond words now." - Football writer Sid Lowe
"Don't write about him, don't try to describe him. Just watch him." - Pep Guardiola
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lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
I'm not advocating him as the best ever either, just point out how hard of an argument it is.


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NewbombII
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
Check back to me when Messi is voted the World Player of the Century....

People are still arguing whether he is better than Ronaldo.


pvilleguru
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Check back to me when Messi is voted the World Player of the Century..

Do we have to wait 82 more years?

Pretty sure he wasn't eligible for the award for the last century.


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WarSlamEagle
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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Check back to me when Messi is voted the World Player of the Century....

Yes, we’ll bump this thread in 2100.


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lsugorilla
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
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1281 goals in 1363 games.

Would not use this in an argument
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Pelé's goalscoring record is often reported by FIFA as being 1281 goals in 1363 games.[45] This figure includes goals scored by Pelé in friendly club matches, like international tours Pelé completed with Santos and the New York Cosmos, and a few games Pelé played in for the Brazilian armed forces teams during his national service in Brazil

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List of men's footballers with 500 or more goals In top-level association football,
Rank Player Goals Matches Ratio Years
1 Josef Bican (CZE) 805 530 1.5189 1931–1955
2 Romário (BRA) 772 994 0.7767 1985–2007
3 Pelé (BRA) 767 831 0.923 1957–1977
4 Ferenc Puskás (HUN) 746 754 0.9894 1943–1966
5 Gerd Müller (GER) 735 793 0.9269 1962–1981
6 Cristiano Ronaldo (POR) 656 932 0.7039 2002–present
7 Lionel Messi (ARG) 627 802 0.7818 2004–present



NewbombII
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re: If you think anyone who's ever played soccer is better than Lionel Messi, you're stupid
Wow those 31 goals scored while with the Cosmos really tilt things out of balance.
App goals
Santos 638 619
Cosmos 56 31
Brazil 92 77


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