If the USMNT lose to Mexico next month, is Jurgen fired?

I don't think he will be, but if we get waxed like 4-0 then I wouldn't be surprised.

I hope he gets fired. We will be in a better spot than we were because of the talent he has recruited, but we really need someone to actually utilize the talent.

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what would it take?

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Probably failing to qualify for a World Cup.

Will he be fired? I doubt it.

Should he be? Yes.

It seems all we do is experiment. Even in matches immediately before meaningful games, we send out lineups with seldom used players and we constantly have players out of position. Eventually, we need some continuity in our lineup.

Jurgy is still the head coach because he has brought in more out of country talent than Bobert.

It will take a massive frick up for Jurgy to be fired.

He won't be, even if we get destroyed. Sunil chased him forever and handed him that contract extension readily. I would be absolutely shocked if he got canned.

Anyone know where I can get audio of the Hudson thing?

He's been on the job, what, five years, and we still don't have a center back partnership?

That should be the first thing an international manager does. Build your core.

We should've long since established a pair there, be it Cameron-Ream, Cameron-Gonzales, Cameron-Besler, Cameron-Brooks, whatever.

The next thing is to continue building your spine. Put Bradley in front of those three. That gives you a defensive core that, if nothing else, you can count on to keep clean sheets or limit goal scoring chances.

Instead, we've fricking dilly-dallied with Ventura Alvarado, Michael Orozco, Maurice Edu, Jermaine Jones, and a bunch of guys who are not international caliber central defenders, and so defensively, we are shite.

I'm fine with re-tooling US Soccer. That starts from the ground up, not the top down.

Edit: He should be fired. He won't be, either.

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We should've long since established a pair there, be it Cameron-Ream, Cameron-Gonzales, Cameron-Besler, Cameron-Brooks, whatever.

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What is really sad to me is that we have had plenty of time to experiment with every single one of these combos, however, we have not and are left without a center back pairing. We could have known which one of those combos would have served us best, and also really worked on their chemistry and gotten a very solid back four. At this point Jurgen isn't just an ineffectual manager, but he is actively holding back the team from succeeded. That is a fireable offense imo.

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Hudson talked about that this morning and I agree with him. Experimenting isn't bad, but you need a core group. Try a couple new guys out if you need to but have SOME consistency with your lineup. Don't just throw shite at the wall at every position every match.

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Experimenting for the sake of experimenting with no clear plan or any semblance of cohesion or a core playing style or anything like that is just a waste of time. It's why I don't really plan on watching the USMNT for a while - this is all shite that I and others have been saying for months, here's just some of my posts when you search "experiment"

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Every single thing we thought was fricked up during the Gold Cup was something that should have been worked on in friendlies.

1. We have a hard time establishing width, especially on the left side of the midfield.

- Jurgen's response: Danny Williams, Alfredo Morales, Wil Trapp, various center mids being stuck out on the left.

- Gold Cup: Fabian Johnson literally played left back and left mid for one game while Morales played as an extra center mid. Gyasi Zardes, a striker, looked lost out there the rest of the tournament.

2. Bradley isn't a very good #10 and if Bradley isn't playing as a 6, we only have Beckerman with any experience. The problem is that Beckerman can't handle being a single pivot against certain teams a la Jamaica.

- Jurgen's response: call in a bunch of defensive mids during friendlies and play them all on the left side of a diamond formation that never works or just as a straight up left mid. Also tried Alejando Bedoya at center mid for shiggles.

- Gold Cup: he brings in Alfredo Morales a young defensive mid, plays him out wide where he looks like shite. Then drops him after the group stage. Michael Bradley continues playing higher up the field, Beckerman is our only remaining defensive mid and he gets dominated by Jamaica again.

3. We need a reliable center back pairing going forward. The spine of your team is the most important part and your center backs are vital for that. We have one reliable center back in Matt Besler and a bunch of young and inconsistent players to choose from as a partner.

Gold Cup: Jürgen doesn't even bring in Besler. Alvarado looks awful except an odd 30 or so competent minutes. Alvarado and Brooks are both kind of morons - they become our number one pairing. Both guys frick up on the first goal against Jamaica. Seriously, neither guy responded to the throw.



These aren't second guesses, these are things that I and others have been pointing out for a while now. I kept saying that it's great to experiment in friendlies but they need to have a purpose to them which none of them really did.

There needs to be a plan. We have no identity and we waste the opportunities that we have to create one.

It's frustrating as frick.

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Maybe if Jurgen didn't experiment with Bedoya at center mid, we would have another viable pivot for when Beckerman is just too slow to deal with a team. Or maybe we can keep calling in Morales, Williams and Trapp and have them play left mid and hope to just figure it out along the way. I mean, that's not Jurgy's fault. Nooooo, we're just experimenting!

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You're actually right. Jurgen wastes so many tuneup games doing dumb shite like trying out Bedoya at center mid and putting defensive mids at left mid, etc. When he should be working on a legit plan B. That's what is so frustrating to me, under him we've played some great soccer but his ego and dumbass experiments drive me insane.

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I can experiment with an all donut, all the time diet. Doesn't mean it's a good experiment. Alejandro Bedoya as a 6 is just stupid. I don't know what else I can say.

Experimenting with 2 out and out strikers - smart
Experimenting with Zardes on the wing - eh, I don't like it, but I'll buy it.
Experimenting with Bedoya at center mid - pls shoot me.

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