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re: How long before the U.S. churns out a player like Mbappe or Harry Kane?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:02 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:02 pm to pvilleguru
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There's always ways to get a kid on a team if he's good enough.
Well that’s just not true
Literally some of our best kids on the west coast are resorting going to Mexico bc no one scouts them.
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:04 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Literally some of our best kids on the west coast are resorting going to Mexico bc no one scouts them.
Sounds like a scouting problem, not a pay for play problem.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:05 pm to pvilleguru
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Sounds like a scouting problem, not a pay for play problem.
I don’t want to sound condescending but this let’s me know you never played soccer at any serious level. Like travel and up
The only way a majority of kids get scouted is by playing travel soccer which is extremely expensive
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:10 pm to pvilleguru
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It's also likely that MLS could have folded after just a few years if they didn't go with the franchise model.
The franchise model also ensures that the massive investment required is protected. And again, the franchise model requires some other entity to subsidize development, which is the key point you seem to be missing. College soccer isn't appropriate for soccer development. What entity is going to subsidize development? It took the franchise model nearly 15 years to even start real developmental academies. And the returns have been paltry, frankly.
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I'm not saying that. It's just not as easy as saying "just do what Germany did."
Where did I do that? I only brought them up as a reference point for the investment required. I've offered numerous versions of what we could do, none of which follow the specific German model. I've even answered how you could use existing infrastructure.
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There's always ways to get a kid on a team if he's good enough.
The point here is to get the most out of our population. Not to accommodate talented kids. We are talking about two different things.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:10 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The only way a majority of kids get scouted is by playing travel soccer which is extremely expensive
It's the only way ANY kid playing soccer in the US gets scouted.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Atlanta is bringing kids into their academy because they see them playing at the damn MARTA station. So yeah, that tells me those clubs are taking the easy way out when it comes to scouting.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:12 pm to pvilleguru
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Atlanta is bringing kids into their academy because they see them playing at the damn MARTA station. So yeah, that tells me those clubs are taking the easy way out when it comes to scouting.
Damn dude, talk about missing the big picture.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:14 pm to pvilleguru
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Atlanta is bringing kids into their academy because they see them playing at the damn MARTA station. So yeah, that tells me those clubs are taking the easy way out when it comes to scouting.
For fricks sake how many times do we have to explain this to you
It seems every thread on this we have to tell you 20 MLS set ups are not enough to compete on any scale of development
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I would assume the HGP rule which incentivizes teams to have strong academies has improved the scouting opportunities for poorer kids over the past 3-5 years.
Now that doesn't help a kid in Indianapolis or Cincinnati or Detroit, but it should be a great help for kids in MLS cities or within a 45 minute radius.
Now that doesn't help a kid in Indianapolis or Cincinnati or Detroit, but it should be a great help for kids in MLS cities or within a 45 minute radius.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:15 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It seems every thread on this we have to tell you 20 MLS set ups are not enough to compete on any scale of development
Show me where I've said that. I'll wait.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:17 pm to Keys Open Doors
It’s exactly why the franchise model holds us back
If lower league clubs have to incentive of promotion they would focus on developing their own local talent.
It works around the world but for some reason in America we can’t get out of our own way thinking our model is the best
If lower league clubs have to incentive of promotion they would focus on developing their own local talent.
It works around the world but for some reason in America we can’t get out of our own way thinking our model is the best
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:19 pm to StraightCashHomey21
The franchise model can work if there is something to subsidize development. For the NBA and NFL, you have colleges to do that. For the MLB and NHL, you have a minor league system. Soccer needs a minor league system. The club system would not have survived the 90s.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:20 pm to StraightCashHomey21
You're too impatient.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:21 pm to crazy4lsu
Exactly
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:21 pm to pvilleguru
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You're too impatient.
You are just a fluffer for MLS right now
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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You are just a fluffer for MLS right now
No. After 22 years of having MLS we are finally getting a stable 2nd division. Next year that 2nd division is starting their own 2nd division. These things take time to grow. You can't just snap your fingers and end pay for play that quickly. There has to be more of a grassroots approach.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:28 pm to pvilleguru
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These things take time to grow. You can't just snap your fingers and end pay for play that quickly. There has to be more of a grassroots approach.
These things should have been phased out by 2010. It took ten years for Germany and France to see results from their youth development reorganization. It took Belgium around 12 years. Do you think we will see results in within two generations of players (around 20 years) with the MLS developmental model?
The US Developmental Academy has the right idea, but the scale needs to be expanded.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:29 pm to pvilleguru
Yet there is a glass ceiling in MLS bc of the franchise model
Come on man just use common sense
If lower level clubs had a shot at top level play
They would focus more on youth development bc it’s cheaper to make your own players than buy them.
You clearly don’t understand grassroots. The USSF should be leading the grassroots approach, not dependent on MLS academies for it.
Come on man just use common sense
If lower level clubs had a shot at top level play
They would focus more on youth development bc it’s cheaper to make your own players than buy them.
You clearly don’t understand grassroots. The USSF should be leading the grassroots approach, not dependent on MLS academies for it.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think we will see results in within two generations of players (around 20 years) with the MLS developmental model?
Depends on what results you're looking for. Several clubs are already putting out some good players. So I definitely think they will be doing better 2 generations from now.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The USSF should be leading the grassroots approach, not dependent on MLS academies for it.
I agree. I have yet to say otherwise.
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