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Heung-Ming Son's career could end in two years (Updated)
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:35 am
Reddit Post
I am just pulling some tidbits from this rather long post. I suggest you read it all if you want the full story.
Credit to : u/noschooliscool
It's very simple - Win the Asian Games in Indonesia this August, or seek a medal at the Tokyo olympic games. Those are the only two options. If he fails to win the tournament this August, his time at Spurs will be over in a very short time. (probably ending at summer 2019 or summer 2020, if he's lucky)
To begin with - let me repeat this - The Asian Cup (held by the AFC), and the FIFA World Cup has absolutely no relation with the status of Son's military draft.
To preface, Son's birthday is July 8th, 1992.
As per the military manpower association guidelines, a person who has not yet served military duty can legally withhold from duty until the age of 27. (It's the western age 27.) Strictly speaking it's until 24 if you're not doing any studying at a university or working abroad, until 27 if you're working abroad or studying with a working/student visa (you have to repeat this every year until the 27 threshold), and until 28 if you're in Korea doing university scholarship or field work.
Son, as now, fits under the "working abroad with a working permit from the UK" status, his waiver ends with age 27, so he has to return before he reaches his 28th birthday - which is, very hopefully speaking, around June 2020.
So, brace yourself Spurs fans, if he doesn't win the 2018 Jakarta Asian games, his time with Spurs will be over in maximum 2 years. (It could possibly be even earlier, like summer 2019, depending on the military manpower association's decisive ruling) He will likely fail to get a work permit, return to Korea and fight with the slim hope with a bronze at the Tokyo olympics, (he will try every possible legal loop to compete his last chance in Japan) but the chances are slim.
If there's any more bad news for Son, brace yourself. Son can NOT play in Korea's domestic K League.
The reason for this is because he has finished his middle school, but has not graduated high school. He spent a few months in a Korean high school(Dongbuk high school) before going to Hamburg.
If he didn't graduate middle school, like Chungyong Lee of Crystal Palace(who's exempt from military duty), Son would've been free from all of this in the first place, but how unfortunate is he.
That makes him a 4th-rate manpower, which makes Son qualified for Civic Service - which is for men who can't exactly be a soldier, but are not really fit to be exempt either. He will serve for 2 full years.
This means Son will not be able to go to the military teams in the K League - Sangju Sangmu FC (1st tier) and Asan Mugunghwa FC (Second tier). He will not be able to play at a professional level for 2 years. (He can't repeal the status of the draft to force himself to be in the military army itself because of this either, because what made him civic service in the first place was his high school drop, not because of his physical/mental health)
He will have extreme difficulty living in Korea's society. The society absolutely upholds military duty to be the most "fair". It's ironically the most complete form of Korean social justice. To endanger possibly the most "fair" thing in this (still) corrupted country right now will anger many people.
If he has the courage, he can decide to emigrate to a new country. But by doing that he will never be able to set foot on South Korean soil ever again.
I am just pulling some tidbits from this rather long post. I suggest you read it all if you want the full story.
Credit to : u/noschooliscool
quote:
What must Son do to be exempt from the South Korean military draft in legal boundaries? (while being able to keep his Korean citizenship?
It's very simple - Win the Asian Games in Indonesia this August, or seek a medal at the Tokyo olympic games. Those are the only two options. If he fails to win the tournament this August, his time at Spurs will be over in a very short time. (probably ending at summer 2019 or summer 2020, if he's lucky)
To begin with - let me repeat this - The Asian Cup (held by the AFC), and the FIFA World Cup has absolutely no relation with the status of Son's military draft.
quote:
Then, why does Son only have two more chances, the 2018 Asian Games and the 2020 Olympics? What is the deadline?
To preface, Son's birthday is July 8th, 1992.
As per the military manpower association guidelines, a person who has not yet served military duty can legally withhold from duty until the age of 27. (It's the western age 27.) Strictly speaking it's until 24 if you're not doing any studying at a university or working abroad, until 27 if you're working abroad or studying with a working/student visa (you have to repeat this every year until the 27 threshold), and until 28 if you're in Korea doing university scholarship or field work.
Son, as now, fits under the "working abroad with a working permit from the UK" status, his waiver ends with age 27, so he has to return before he reaches his 28th birthday - which is, very hopefully speaking, around June 2020.
So, brace yourself Spurs fans, if he doesn't win the 2018 Jakarta Asian games, his time with Spurs will be over in maximum 2 years. (It could possibly be even earlier, like summer 2019, depending on the military manpower association's decisive ruling) He will likely fail to get a work permit, return to Korea and fight with the slim hope with a bronze at the Tokyo olympics, (he will try every possible legal loop to compete his last chance in Japan) but the chances are slim.
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What club will Son play if the worst happens and he returns to Korea?
If there's any more bad news for Son, brace yourself. Son can NOT play in Korea's domestic K League.
The reason for this is because he has finished his middle school, but has not graduated high school. He spent a few months in a Korean high school(Dongbuk high school) before going to Hamburg.
If he didn't graduate middle school, like Chungyong Lee of Crystal Palace(who's exempt from military duty), Son would've been free from all of this in the first place, but how unfortunate is he.
That makes him a 4th-rate manpower, which makes Son qualified for Civic Service - which is for men who can't exactly be a soldier, but are not really fit to be exempt either. He will serve for 2 full years.
This means Son will not be able to go to the military teams in the K League - Sangju Sangmu FC (1st tier) and Asan Mugunghwa FC (Second tier). He will not be able to play at a professional level for 2 years. (He can't repeal the status of the draft to force himself to be in the military army itself because of this either, because what made him civic service in the first place was his high school drop, not because of his physical/mental health)
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What will happen if he ultimately decides to ignore the draft?
He will have extreme difficulty living in Korea's society. The society absolutely upholds military duty to be the most "fair". It's ironically the most complete form of Korean social justice. To endanger possibly the most "fair" thing in this (still) corrupted country right now will anger many people.
If he has the courage, he can decide to emigrate to a new country. But by doing that he will never be able to set foot on South Korean soil ever again.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 12:36 pm
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:36 am to McCaigBro69
I'm assuming I'm not the only person who didn't realize this could happen. Maybe I am, if that's the case then just ignore this thread 
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:41 am to McCaigBro69
This part confuses me
Why exactly would winning those tournaments exempt him from his military obligation?
This didn’t happen with Park Ji-Sung did it?
quote:.
It's very simple - Win the Asian Games in Indonesia this August, or seek a medal at the Tokyo olympic games. Those are the only two options. If he fails to win the tournament this August, his time at Spurs will be over in a very short time
Why exactly would winning those tournaments exempt him from his military obligation?
This didn’t happen with Park Ji-Sung did it?
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:52 am to Riseupfromtherubble
It did. Park was exempted
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:54 am to McCaigBro69
I knew that this was a thing, but I honestly forgot that it is in play for him
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:54 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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This didn’t happen with Park Ji-Sung did it?
I think the dude explains it in the post on Reddit. I want to say it's because they got out of the group stages in 2002 when they weren't expected to. Something along those lines.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:57 am to joey barton
Obligatory
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:58 am to McCaigBro69
I had no idea. But I bet it works itself out.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:02 pm to Bottom9
quote:
I think the dude explains it in the post on Reddit. I want to say it's because they got out of the group stages in 2002 when they weren't expected to. Something along those lines.
Yes. South Korea hosted and they weren’t expected to advance. Once the team did, it was considered a great athletic feat and the Country granted exemption for the players not embarrassing the country on a world stage.
The reddit post goes into further detail, but I didn’t want to load the OP down with even more text.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:03 pm to Xenophon
Hopefully the Korean Peninsula stabilizes to the point where military service is no longer compulsory. I’m not sure Korea will ever be unified in any of our lifetimes, but North Korea might at least not be an imminent threat to South Korea anymore.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:14 pm to McCaigBro69
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es. South Korea hosted and they weren’t expected to advance. Once the team did, it was considered a great athletic feat and the Country granted exemption for the players not embarrassing the country on a world stage.
I'm sure something along those lines will happen here too. I wouldn't be losing any sleep over this is if I were Son.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:15 pm to McCaigBro69
Son needs to man up and lead his country to gold like Chan Ho Park did.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:19 pm to McCaigBro69
yeah i remember a story a couple summers ago where there was a situation where he and his teammates almost did enough in a tournament that would have made him exempt...i think.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:19 pm to McCaigBro69
If anyone needed any other reason to be thankful to be an American, reading something like this happening in another civilized, advanced society should be that reason.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:28 pm to McCaigBro69
Unfortunately well-known in Spurs circles.
The best hope is the Asian Games gold.
Failing that, a special exemption allowing him to enlist after his prime. Probably the most likely outcome, to be honest.
The best hope is the Asian Games gold.
Failing that, a special exemption allowing him to enlist after his prime. Probably the most likely outcome, to be honest.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 12:42 pm to JollyGreenGiant
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Probably the most likely outcome, to be honest.
The OP on Reddit lists this as probable, but not likely.
He mentions that multiple K-pop stars are serving/have served and that it is extremely frowned upon for celebrities to be granted exemption from the service without earning it through proper avenues.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 1:58 pm to McCaigBro69
I thought he meant a full exemption is frowned-upon, but that an exemption to the age would be more acceptable. Like, let him do it when he's 33 or something. Not 27.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 2:11 pm to JollyGreenGiant
Oh not sure if that’s a thing or not.
I’d say it’s likely unavoidable though. One of the biggest k-pop Stars there (G-Dragon) is having to serve right now and he’s 29 and only was able to put it off because he was ‘enrolled’ in graduate courses at a local university.
K-pop Stars there are much more famous than any soccer player could ever dream. They also have a direct tie into the countries economy. I just don’t see how Son could avoid it if this dude couldn’t.
I’d say it’s likely unavoidable though. One of the biggest k-pop Stars there (G-Dragon) is having to serve right now and he’s 29 and only was able to put it off because he was ‘enrolled’ in graduate courses at a local university.
K-pop Stars there are much more famous than any soccer player could ever dream. They also have a direct tie into the countries economy. I just don’t see how Son could avoid it if this dude couldn’t.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 2:57 pm to McCaigBro69
In 2 years, TRUMP!!! will have ended the Korean War. Hence, the South Korean military draft will no longer be necessary.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 6:37 pm to JollyGreenGiant
Theres a pro golfer named Sang Moon Bae that had to give up 2 years of his prime for the Korean millitary despite winning twice on tour. It’s crazy, and we’re very fortunate.
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