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re: Gregg Berhalter says USMNT player was nearly sent home from World Cup due to poor behavior
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:29 am to kengel2
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:29 am to kengel2
But did the players WANT to win? Did they fold their kits and clean their boots every night? Maps and statistics only tell you so much
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:41 am to SabiDojo
They scored a few despite Greggs best effort to stop them, so Id say they wanted it.
FWIW, I dont really hate Gregg, but I do feel like the class of players we have now exceeds his coaching ability.
Its time for a big boy coach now that we have some big boy players.
FWIW, I dont really hate Gregg, but I do feel like the class of players we have now exceeds his coaching ability.
Its time for a big boy coach now that we have some big boy players.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:45 am to kengel2
I was being an arse I have never liked the hire. US is wayyyyy too talented to be playing like that
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:39 am to SabiDojo
Tim Ream has a podcast with Steve Schlanger called 'Indirect". Last night they had what appears to be the first podcast post World Cup. Their guest was Christian Pulisic. Steve addressed Tim with the question that went something like this. Tell us about the elephant in the room what happened with Gio Reyna. What Tim said was quite simple. It was dealt with in Qatar and it is over.
My take Gregg didn't get the memo.
My take Gregg didn't get the memo.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:33 am to NewbombII
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My take Gregg didn't get the memo.
What does this mean?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:34 am to magildachunks
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Rodman was a great team player.
You are trolling, right?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:35 am to kengel2
Trying to compare an international side, especially one at our level, to a club side is a fool’s errand. I agree with the you though that our link up play with the forwards was shite, but then again so were our forward options. Y’all may not be impressed, but people who get paid to write about these things have more positive opinions. We really should have brought Pefok, though, if we were going to cross more than any team in the tournament.
The Athletic- USA passed and pressed like a modern club side. Will they have convinced the world?
It’s really a good article. Switch to reader view on iPhone to read it. The US was fourth in the tournament for percentage of possessions reaching the final 3rd and eighth for field tilt, just behind France.
Now let’s add some context to that picture of our system against Wales.
The Athletic- USA passed and pressed like a modern club side. Will they have convinced the world?
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So was the whole Berhalter project a disappointment, a diaphanous dream of some idealised football altogether too beautiful for a country that remains one hundred per cent sure LeBron James could be the world’s best attacking midfielder if he ever felt like it?
Actually, you know what, maybe not.
Results aside, this team really did look different than before. They played like they knew what they were about, and what they were about wasn’t the scrappy counter-attacking game that’s kept the USMNT punching above its weight for the last 20 years. Maybe, just maybe, American soccer had changed.
“What I see is a vision,” Netherlands manager Louis van Gaal said after prepping to face Berhalter’s team in that round of 16 game, and that’s coming from a guy who knows a thing or two about coaching. “What I see is a team that is keen to execute that vision, and that is of the utmost importance.”
It’s really a good article. Switch to reader view on iPhone to read it. The US was fourth in the tournament for percentage of possessions reaching the final 3rd and eighth for field tilt, just behind France.
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Spain ranked first at the 2010 World Cup for field tilt. Germany in 2014 ranked second. Even 2018 France, an unusually counter-attacking champion with a dysfunctional midfield and Kylian Mbappe doing zoomy-motorcycle noises up the wing, still came in 12th for their share of final-third touches. Sort any competition by field tilt and the best teams are almost always toward the top.
Against World Cup competition, the US has always been squarely in the “space and speed” camp. Even a pretty good 2010 team ranked a little below average for field tilt at the World Cup, and Klinsmann’s 2014 version finished second to last, between Algeria and Iran.
If the USMNT really does become a field-tilt side after 2022, that could change the way even America views American soccer.
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If it wasn’t generating chances, what was the point of that whole high-and-wide possession game? Well, it made the US pretty good at the other part of football: keeping the ball out of their own net.
In particular, they joined some elite company as the fifth-best team in Qatar at winning the ball back quickly after losing it in attacking areas.
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This was another big shift from 2010 and 2014, when the US were bottom half for their counter-pressing. This team has always been athletic and energetic, but that energy has never been this organised and concentrated on winning the ball back fast and high.
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This traditionally counter-attacking side played on the front foot for long stretches of all four of its games, including against a couple of major European powers. The United States passed and pressed like a modern club side, which helped them take full advantage of a new crop of kids playing at some of the best clubs in the world. You could see the new style literally taking shape, as Berhalter’s emphasis on building from the back gave the US a series of well-structured pass networks in its adjustable 4-3-3 that captured the new tactical identity…
Now let’s add some context to that picture of our system against Wales.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:54 am to cwil177
Those Jurgen maps make my eyes bleed. We had no discernible shape with him.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:12 am to Broski
I will never forget the Daniel Williams RW (against Italy I believe) and Alejandro Bedoya D mid against Brazil master classes. Whenever people start talking about liking Jurgen (or heaven forbid that we should hire him again) it’s nice because I know I can ignore everything they say because they are most likely clinically retarded.
ETA: my apologies to the retards who downvoted this, I’m sure your life is difficult
ETA: my apologies to the retards who downvoted this, I’m sure your life is difficult
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:35 am to NewbombII
In getting hired, I can see Gregg selling the USSF on the mission of changing the world's outlook on American soccer. And in order to fulfill that mission, you need a "vibes" culture. There was a new crop of young lads full of talent and hope needing direction and identity, and Gregg had the right intentions of nurturing that special potential.
However, this was all happening over a 4 year period, and the young boys were quickly not 'young' anymore. They grew into professionals with the majority of their development in international experience, technical exposure, and personal growth. The leadership of Gregg was getting surpassed by the lived experience of their own clubs. You can't tell me that over time, these players don't naturally begin to compare the quality over this duration. And if this starts to subtly begin to surface, then it's natural to see head-scratching favoritism with vibes (MLS) guys as it accords with the original mission in creating a 'culture'. But in the efforts of wanting to build a cultural foundation for the good of the team, Gregg's lack of football intelligence coupled with subconscious ego resulted in a culture that was built for the good of Gregg's foundation. It again begs the question: was this due to stubbornness or naivety? Maybe both?
And what would we expect to see as a result? Not reaching this golden generation's full potential with questionable roster selection, in-game management and subbing, lack of offense, and telling one of your least vibes guys BEFORE THE WORLD CUP STARTED that he wouldn't have much of a role.
However, this was all happening over a 4 year period, and the young boys were quickly not 'young' anymore. They grew into professionals with the majority of their development in international experience, technical exposure, and personal growth. The leadership of Gregg was getting surpassed by the lived experience of their own clubs. You can't tell me that over time, these players don't naturally begin to compare the quality over this duration. And if this starts to subtly begin to surface, then it's natural to see head-scratching favoritism with vibes (MLS) guys as it accords with the original mission in creating a 'culture'. But in the efforts of wanting to build a cultural foundation for the good of the team, Gregg's lack of football intelligence coupled with subconscious ego resulted in a culture that was built for the good of Gregg's foundation. It again begs the question: was this due to stubbornness or naivety? Maybe both?
And what would we expect to see as a result? Not reaching this golden generation's full potential with questionable roster selection, in-game management and subbing, lack of offense, and telling one of your least vibes guys BEFORE THE WORLD CUP STARTED that he wouldn't have much of a role.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:57 am to Alyosha
Just out of curiosity for everyone involved. Has anyone's actual worldview changed from this thread?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:08 pm to Alyosha
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And what would we expect to see as a result? Not reaching this golden generation's full potential
This generation is not a golden generation. It’s a new normal for our player development. It’s exciting and I’m looking forward to how they progress with their clubs and with the USMNT.
These guys have awesome potential but they aren’t going to reach that “full potential” until they are 26-28.
What were you expecting from this World Cup? You were among the people who thought we would get blanked and instead we made it to the knockouts. Our player pool is well behind the final 8 teams, with the exception (maybe) of Morocco, who we beat 3-0 in June.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:38 pm to cwil177
I've been pretty neutral on GGG but I think this will be the reason he does not get rehired. I don't see how anyone in the locker room can trust or believe in him after this.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:49 pm to cwil177
I think we had the talent this WC to get past the knockout round. But as soon as Greg showed his cards, I knew that even a knockout round win would be wishful thinking.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:54 pm to Broski
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Those Jurgen maps make my eyes bleed. We had no discernible shape with him.
That's a funny looking diamond.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:16 pm to cwil177
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I think we had the talent this WC to get past the knockout round. But as soon as Greg showed his cards, I knew that even a knockout round win would be wishful thinking.
Correct. The roster is judged by each campaign, since it's too far into the future to discern who will be there in 2026. So yes, Gregg didn't get their full potential. Golden generation or not...not about the title but maybe I should have said, most talented ever.
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You were among the people who thought we would get blanked and instead we made it to the knockouts.
Yep, correct. We got lucky on 2 goals, squeaking by Iran. Then got blanked into reality.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:27 pm to Alyosha
How was it lucky? Our group stage goals were the result of beautiful buildup play.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:36 pm to Alyosha
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We got lucky on 2 goals,
c'mon man.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:45 pm to cwil177
It's not a knock on the goals themselves. It's lucky we got out of the group on just two goals.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 1:55 pm to Alyosha
That can happen when you don’t allow any goals from the run of play.
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