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re: Christian Pulisic is Chelsea's best player
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:20 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:20 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I honestly in all my mind scraping cannot for the life of me for any reason whatsoever in a million years with every ounce of my being literally and truthfully cannot fricking fathom anyone saying mount is better than pulisic
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:21 pm to olddawg26
Hah, well fathom it. Because Frank is apparently in agreement.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:22 pm to BleedPurpleGold
Ok I’ll bite, how is Mount better than Pulisic?
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:23 pm to BleedPurpleGold
And he’s catching ever living hell for it everytime. He is constantly proven wrong choosing mount. Pulisic has to come in and get hat tricks and change the game to get looked at. In his current form he would be starting for any team in England.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:29 pm to bthomp1
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Soccer novice but I have a question. Watched a good bit of Pulisic but not as far back as say a peak Landon Donovan? Pulisic is better than peak Donovan right?
It's a valid question actually. Puli is no doubt more talented, and arguably has already been more successful in Europe than Landon ever was.
But when it came to the National team, Landon had an X factor that made him absolutely world class. He was one of the best players on the pitch, no matter if we were playing a CONCACAF scrub or Spain. All these years later it's still unexplainable, especially the decision by Jurgy to keep him home in 2014 despite everything I just mentioned.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:29 pm to Broski
Mount is just incredibly mature for his age. His field awareness, positioning, and defensive skill set are incredible. His defensive movement, especially laterally, is so good. He was born to play the 8 and has all the tools to run a midfield.
Pulisic has a much, much higher ceiling, and is clearly the flashier player. But Mount is playing with the intelligence you wouldn’t expect to see from him for at least another 5 years.
Pulisic has a much, much higher ceiling, and is clearly the flashier player. But Mount is playing with the intelligence you wouldn’t expect to see from him for at least another 5 years.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:31 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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But Mount is playing with the intelligence you wouldn’t expect to see
I watched Mount turn the ball over more today than Jameis Winston did all of last year
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:33 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Right now it’s Mount.
I’ve seen a lot of terrible takes on this board but this is probably the worst of 2020.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:34 pm to BCLA
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I watched Mount turn the ball over more today than Jameis Winston did all of last year
Well if we’re judging players based solely on the game played today then I change my answer to Pulisic.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:35 pm to cwil177
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I’ve seen a lot of terrible takes on this board but this is probably the worst of 2020.
Haha don’t be so dramatic.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:39 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Well if we’re judging players based solely on the game played today then I change my answer to Pulisic.
How bout just base it on this seasons stats lol
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:53 pm to olddawg26
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How bout just base it on this seasons stats lol
Well, Chelsea are a team that struggles defensively. That's no secret. So I'm valuing possession, passing, tackling, chance creation over scoring. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that Pulisic is great offensively. He's incredible in the attacking third. But Mount has 4 assists, 14 key passes, and 18 chances created. Pulisic has 3, 5, and 8 respectively. Mason has 94 tackles to Christian's 34. Mount also has a better pass completion percentage, almost equal number of chances created, and is involved more in expected goal buildup metrics.
I was being facetious earlier with saying my opinions was "objectively" right. Of course I understand people who think Pulisic is better, and in any other team he probably would be considered better. The two are very different players though, and at this point, Chelsea need defensive help from the midfield because their backline is made of air. For that reason I value Mount's defensive contributions over Pulisic's offensive contributions.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:55 pm to BleedPurpleGold
It doesn't hurt that Mount has over 1200 minutes more playing time in all competitions over Pulisic, whether or not thats due to injury or coaches decision.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:59 pm to choppadocta
Yeah, I didn’t go without noticing that. But I was asked to speak in reference to statistics, and unfortunately minutes play a large part in that. They’ll absolutely be skewed toward Mount in that regard, so I’ll admit they need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 12:51 am to BleedPurpleGold
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Chelsea need defensive help from the midfield because their backline is made of air. For that reason I value Mount's defensive contributions over Pulisic's offensive contributions.
I don't disagree with this in theory, but Mount has been deployed regularly on the left wing when we go 3 at the back over Pulisic. If we were arguing who should be starting at the 8, sure. But Mount's workrate/willingness to press as a LW is wasted because our team doesn't press well as a unit.
Pulisic has just been far more creative and influential the last month than anyone on our team. Nobody looks likely to unlock a defense except for him. He has to be starting during this current run of form.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 12:58 am to MUMFORD
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Insofar as his time frame for reaching that level might be longer. Just being cautious regarding my expectations.
Being cautious in expectations =/= Not seeing Gio as being able to compliment Pulisic in any way, which is what you originally said.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:54 am to bthomp1
I think Landon’s harmless...unorthodoxy (including his “failure” in Europe) distracts people from how good he was.
Kind of tough to compare players across time periods, particularly in this case because Pulisic does a lot of similar things. With his off the ball movement, way he uses his acceleration, and directness (at times), he can definitely look a lot like Landon.
Kind of tough to compare players across time periods, particularly in this case because Pulisic does a lot of similar things. With his off the ball movement, way he uses his acceleration, and directness (at times), he can definitely look a lot like Landon.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:18 am to jackwoods4
That’s a fair point. If I’m going to consider his tactical role in the team, I should also consider how that role fits into the defensive group as a whole. No doubt that Chelsea’s press as a defensive unit is poor and that will inherently limit Mount’s use within that unit. It’s certainly hard to argue Mount over Pulisic in that context. Especially when he’s slaloming through our defense and leaving Gomez on his arse. Sometimes it seems like Hazard never left.
In any case, this is a good problem to have. I hate that I can’t hate chelsea anymore. Likable coach with an extremely young and talented team. I can’t wait to watch them next year.
In any case, this is a good problem to have. I hate that I can’t hate chelsea anymore. Likable coach with an extremely young and talented team. I can’t wait to watch them next year.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:41 am to BleedPurpleGold
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created. Pulisic has 3, 5, and 8 respectively. Mason has 94 tackles to Christian's 34. Mount also has a better pass completion percentage, almost equal number of chances created, and is involved more in expected goal buildup metrics.
What is the comparison per 90 minutes?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:45 am to cwil177
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What is the comparison per 90 minutes?
Not sure, I tried to find per 90 comparisons but couldn’t. In any case, it doesn’t matter. Jackwoods has shown me the light. I wasn’t considering the two players in the proper context.
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