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re: Arsenal's "Things Are Gonna Change, I Can Feel It! (lol, nope)" Summer Thread

Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:38 am to
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 7:38 am to
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Van Persie seems slightly off at the moment


He's been off, but I actually thought he played well yesterday. It was the closest to his former self he's been this year IMO. Hopefully he keeps improving.

I know Wenger said we aren't buying anybody, but I keep seeing Eden Hazard rumors and I really want that to happen. Arshavin has seemingly completely lost it and I still have my reservations about Theo.

I wonder what kind of lineup we're going to play in our cup ties these next two matches.
Posted by Leauxgan
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:00 am to
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I wonder what kind of lineup we're going to play in our cup ties these next two matches.


Wenger - “We will rotate,” said Wenger. “There are going to be changes, many changes.”

I expect to see about the same lineup as the one vs. Wigan. Gibbs is set to return as well. I wonder how long he will last this time.

Here is a decent Leeds preview

I though Robin played decently last night. There's not much more you can ask of him based on the defense we were faced with. He had 2 shots that were excruciating to watch in that luck/woodwork stopped one and Joe Hart's fingertip parry diverted the other. Since it was impossible to pass in the 18 yard box or make very many good space creating runs, I thought he did as best as he could.

This game was very much like the 2nd Inter-Barca game from last year when Inter were just content to not even try to attack. Instead they just booted all attacks away and defended for their lives. Not really much you can logically work out to say that we should have won. Yes, we had opportunities that we could have put away. But in the end how can you expect to break down a team who has been instructed to keep a clean sheet rather than to organize a threatening offense. Even the best attacking teams will struggle against that philosophy.

I expect Leeds to put up more of a fight than City did.
Posted by LSUArsenal
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:08 am to
I thought VP did really well for what he had to work with. Players on our side need to get a little more greedy. There were a number of times someone had a pretty clean shot on goal ie Song and Walcott where they wanted to slow it up or pass it off. Need more shots from the outside. Idk why Wenger subbed in Bendtner and put him out wide for Nasri and dropped Nasri back.

I would have liked to see Chamakh and Bendtner in the middle receiving crosses in the air. As much as i love RVP he wont win a lot of crosses in the air for us.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 10:21 am to
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Need more shots from the outside.


That kept being repeated in the game thread yesterday, notably byt ATL, but I was sort of confused, I thought we took several chances outside of the 18, or at least smart chances. This chalkboard says we had a 6:8 ratio of long range vs. inside the 18 shots. It's a very low percentage chance of scoring several yards outside of the 18, especially when City's disciplined, lattice-like defense is there to absorb all angles and trajectories.

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Idk why Wenger subbed in Bendtner and put him out wide


I think because RVP was making his runs at the back four, rather than his usual drop deep and link-up method, so that diagonals would open up for other players to sop up the space he created. So Bendtner's role, presumably, was to make those diagonals. And then Sammy was pushed to the right where he's seen quite a bit of success this season. Problem is there wasn't a lot of time for any of the subs to make impact with that strategy, which requires more time and patience than just 10 minutes.
This post was edited on 1/6/11 at 10:22 am
Posted by LSUArsenal
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:00 pm to
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That kept being repeated in the game thread yesterday, notably byt ATL, but I was sort of confused, I thought we took several chances outside of the 18, or at least smart chances. This chalkboard says we had a 6:8 ratio of long range vs. inside the 18 shots. It's a very low percentage chance of scoring several yards outside of the 18, especially when City's disciplined, lattice-like defense is there to absorb all angles and trajectories.


no youre right. I was more talking about Songs one run he just seemed like he absolutley did not want to shoot. and i thought that walcott had a good chance right before Kompany got the handling in the box. Im still really bitter about the game so i havent watched any replays or anything but towards the end i felt like nasri was playing more in the Song spot than where he normally plays. I thought he was dropped in a little too deep
Posted by ATLienTiger
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 12:57 pm to
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That kept being repeated in the game thread yesterday, notably byt ATL


I would point it out in frustration, notably when namely Jack would constantly attempt to string together passes in very small windows on the edge of the box. It got frustrating seeing a shooting window close due to a player opting to force passes to a heavily guarded teammate. I'd rather them take a shot than flick/back heel to a teammate at the edge of the box.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 1:42 pm to
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It got frustrating seeing a shooting window close due to a player opting to force passes to a heavily guarded teammate.


One of the very practical complications about a 10 man wall is that passing or shooting windows open and close very fluidly. On the ball movement becomes an extremely cumbersome task to process litany decisions such as "pass, idle, shoot, dribble, check for spaces, check for players, read defense, etc." I think that 10 men defenses are just as confusing cerebrally as they are visually.

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I'd rather them take a shot than flick/back heel to a teammate at the edge of the box.


Same here. Good thing AA only played for about 10 minutes. I think our approach was a good one. RVP hugs the backline, drawing off defenders, we attempt a 1-2 to find a shooting lane. Maybe we could have attempted more long shots, but it wouldn't have been many. They closed down quickly, and double teamed Nasri and Cesc for most of the game. Next time we face them (next season? perhaps the FA Cup), I'd like to see us trying to cross more or to use diagonal runs much earlier.
Posted by ATLienTiger
NOLA
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 1:49 pm to
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One of the very practical complications about a 10 man wall


lol, this was mostly before City dropped 8 back and made it evident they didn't want to attack. At that point my complaint was we didn't have a target man up top, and Beowulf was playing wing.

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Good thing AA only played for about 10 minutes


Goodness, how he continues his backheels straight into defenders is beyond me.

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I'd like to see us trying to cross more or to use diagonal runs much earlier.


This was my one complaint early. Despite Arsenal being on the attack full throttle there wasn't really much movement away from the ball. It was mainly play the ball toward the endline for Theo, or have Cesc and Nasri do some dribbling and quick 1-2's together. They couldn't really cross with just RVP up top, no real target man, and just one person in the box for Theo's crosses.

They had City on their heels, but it was mainly due to Nasri and Cesc's straight forward dribbling attacks to their backline.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 2:33 pm to
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Theo's crosses


No one can put those in the net because his crossing skill, even after all this time, is non-existent. Was disappointed that Theo couldn't take more of an advantage against Zabaleta but I guess that's not all on him.
Posted by ATLienTiger
NOLA
Member since Oct 2006
27277 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 3:36 pm to
to his credit, his has gotten a heck of a lot better, but it still needs some fine tuning.

There was notably one 1 v 1 he had to go to goal where he made a muck of it, and another chance he could have done better to get around Zabaleta, but other than that Zabaleta did a fair job forcing him endline or staying goalside.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/6/11 at 3:41 pm to
Theo isn't a winger, and we should stop pretending that he is. He's a wide forward. He can't cross, his dribbling is fairly average, but he can finish fairly well. I don't think we've ever played with a real winger to be honest.
Posted by glassman
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/6/11 at 4:07 pm to
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I don't think we've ever played with a real winger to be honest.


Agreed. If we are going to try one bring in Hazard.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 8:39 am to
Rambo back in the squad for the FA Cup match with Leeds!

Great news. Hope he can log a few mop-up minutes at the end of a big win.

Lots of players being rested. Nasri, RvP, Wilshere, and Kos will be held out for sure. Vela is in the squad, but I'd doubt he'll start.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 1/7/11 at 9:07 am to
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Rambo back in the squad for the FA Cup match with Leeds!




Arsene voted manager of the decade
( wiki stub on this org)

'Cheenee's style ain't got shite on Eboue:


I loved this interview w/ English comedian Alan Davies about his passion for AFC
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 9:23 am to
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Eboue

Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 10:02 am to
No idea where he is getting his info, but it's enough to give me a chubby

@DarrenArsenal1
Arsene Wenger has confirmed that the club is interested in signing Eden Hazard.

read a stat the other day that says EH has completed the most dribbles in Ligue 1. Meaning that the interchange between he and Sammy would amount to us never losing the ball.

edit: feel a little more comfortable with YoungGuns confirming things

@YoungGunsBlog
Arsenal confirm interest in Eden Hazard, but it isn't anything new. He admitted he had the chance to sign him before Lille years ago.

2nd edit. more exposition from YG

Hazard is an Arsenal style player, but lots of clubs doubted him after starring for Belgium at U17 level. Arsenal followed for years.

While we're interested, I can't see a deal for Hazard. Too expensive plus Wenger already said there isn't room for any midfielders.
This post was edited on 1/7/11 at 10:05 am
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 10:21 am to
I've seen rumors of this for awhile and those have only increased the past 15 days. With these latest revelations I really feel we might splash the cash (around 15 mil pounds) to get him. With Arshavin's ever decreasing form, I really think we need another top class winger (actually I guess he'd be our only one) if we're going to compete for any sort of non-Carling Cup trophy this season. He isn't cup-tied, so he could help us against Barca.

To me, this would be a positive sign that AW is actually making a push for trophies.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 10:24 am to
Thought this was surprising: Sanchez Watt will be allowed to play against Arsenal tomorrow.
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 10:33 am to
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I really think we need another top class winger (actually I guess he'd be our only one) if we're going to compete for any sort of non-Carling Cup trophy this season.

I don't understand your distaste for Theo. He might be the fastest player in the EPL and his ball skills are improving. Also, he's still only 21 years old. I'm not concerned about his crossing because Sagna overlaps and takes care of that usually. Why Wenger has given Arshavin 19 EPL appearances and Theo only 12 is beyond me.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/7/11 at 11:02 am to
I don't dislike Theo, he just has his flaws. His speed is more useful off the bench generally. His passing and touch are sloppy. I know Sagna can cross, but it is a disadvantage that he cannot. Against good defenders he is ineffective because he's too predictable. He's a very good finisher, a striker who isn't big or skilled enough to play up front (for now at least). Also, he is rather injury-prone which is the main reason I'd like Hazard. Arshavin has more appearances because he wasn't out for an extended period of time like Theo was. If we bought Hazard, Theo would still start for awhile I would assume. Hazard is a player that could not only help us not only this season by giving us quality depth in a position where we have little, but also for many years to come, presumably when Theo has moved into a more central location on the pitch.
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