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Is unlimited eligibility the next issue for the NCAA?

Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:42 am
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:42 am
Now that the NCAA has been neutered by the courts in basically every case brought against will we see someone challenge eligibility limits and what would the strength of their case be? Could we see guys, like Johni broome, who are really good college players but not projected as pros stay in college for like ten years at a million or so a pop?
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:47 am to
I’ve known a few career students. So if you can’t age out academically, can you age out athletically?
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:40 am to
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Johni broome, who are really good college players but not projected as pros


He will make a nice living playing basketball.

Maybe not in the NBA, but Europe pays decent for basketball.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:48 am to
Once the players tip over from student athletes to employees, the universities will no longer be able to age discriminate.

It is the slow death of college football.

Ironically, I'd pay money to watch an intramural league of student athletes at that point.
Posted by IamNotaRobot
OKC
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:14 am to
Do they offer PhDs in underwater basket weaving?
Posted by AgentMuschamp
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:28 am to
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Once the players tip over from student athletes to employees, the universities will no longer be able to age discriminate

Why would this be the case? The NFL and NBA have age restrictions

The issue is the fact players can’t collectively bargain for themselves and “agree” to whatever restrictions the NCAA wants to put in place. The players unions do this in all the other sports and why those sports are able to make and enforce rules
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:31 am to
This would actually be a positive.

Kids who are not ready for the NFL will be more likely to stick with a team until they get a chance to perform. Without a finite timeline, they won't be transferring as much to hope to find a better landing spot.

5* right now want to play and be in the NFL in 3 years, so if year 1 looks rough, they start looking around.

3* and 4* might do the math and say "ok, if it takes me 4,5 years to get there, that's ok" and stick with a program.

Big programs won't let a 1* or 2* fumble around for 5+ years but "projects" will get a chance they otherwise wouldn't.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:56 am to
I've always thought that a declaration for the draft shouldn't be final until they get their draft grade.
Posted by jb4
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:09 am to
There is no age limit for anybody enrolling in a university
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:15 am to
Age out fo sho
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:20 am to
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Once the players tip over from student athletes to employees, the universities will no longer be able to age discriminate.




bullshite. This has already been tried in court against the NFL. Maurice Clarett and Mike Williams got told to sit down and shut the frick up by leftist future supreme court justice Sonia Sotomayor and the Second Circuit.
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:27 am to
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bullshite. This has already been tried in court against the NFL. Maurice Clarett and Mike Williams got told to sit down and shut the frick up by leftist future supreme court justice Sonia Sotomayor and the Second Circuit.


This will be different as it’s one thing to have an age barrier for getting in, but there’s currently no age limit on the upper end of either the NCAA or NFL or other leagues. You play until you can no longer keep up. I think as long as you’re progressing toward a meaningful degree there’s no reason why you can’t keep playing ball.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:36 am to
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Why would this be the case? The NFL and NBA have age restrictions


Neither the NFL nor the NBA ages a player out.

As a matter of fact, the players union negotiates harder on behalf of the experienced veterans than the younger players.
Salary caps on draft picks help older veterans stay on rosters (keeping them on payroll and under salary cap limits longer).

Do not make stuff up.
Posted by theballguy
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:40 am to
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Now that the NCAA has been neutered by the courts in basically every case brought against will we see someone challenge eligibility limits and what would the strength of their case be? Could we see guys, like Johni broome, who are really good college players but not projected as pros stay in college for like ten years at a million or so a pop?



With the way things are? Why not. Bring back AJ McCarron I suppose and Reuben Foster while we're at it. I'm sure they'd love to come back to Tuscaloosa



Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:41 am to
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I think as long as you’re progressing toward a meaningful degree there’s no reason why you can’t keep playing ball.


Even the academic requirements will whittle away as employees.

College football would have to successfully argue that being a student in good standing is essential to performing the tasks of the job.
And any lawyer worth his salt can use the NFL, CFL, European leagues, and semipro leagues to argue that being a student is an undue burden on an employee hired to play shut down cornerback in pro football (i.e. employees).
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:48 am to
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Even the academic requirements will whittle away as employees. College football would have to successfully argue that being a student in good standing is essential to performing the tasks of the job. And any lawyer worth his salt can use the NFL, CFL, European leagues, and semipro leagues to argue that being a student is an undue burden on an employee hired to play shut down cornerback in pro football (i.e. employees).


I see where you’re going w this and if they were straight up employees then I’d agree

However I’m guessing they’d be classified as student workers like grad assistants are making being in good academic standing a component in keeping employment.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:08 am to
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However I’m guessing they’d be classified as student workers like grad assistants are making being in good academic standing a component in keeping employment.


$1M per year for a grad assistant QB?

The problem with fans is that they never look at unintended consequences.

A lawyer would never make that (grad assistant) hold up in court. $1m per year for a grad assistant.

All of these unintended consequences are so easy to spot if you just use a legal lense to view them.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:34 am to
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Once the players tip over from student athletes to employees, the universities will no longer be able to age discriminate.

It is the slow death of college football.

Ironically, I'd pay money to watch an intramural league of student athletes at that point.



Should be a boon societally for those players who can make a good living in college but not cut out for the NFL to do so a few more years instead of losing eligibility and going home with no education and prospects for employment. There is also going to more spots for players...who is the NCAA to tell anyone they can only have X number of players. They are arleady doing away with the cap on coaches....
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:47 am to
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There is also going to more spots for players...


I'm reading the opposite.

A consequence of money.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10105 posts
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:51 am to
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Should be a boon societally for those players who can make a good living in college but not cut out for the NFL


this is the way it should work; like the MLB and NBA at various times

if you're not good enough at 17/18, go hone your skill for 3-4 years

the fact that the NFL makes players pretend to go to college is why we have guys who do not care about the school at all
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