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re: WTF - Vindman will return to Dept. of the Army for until his Army War College class start
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:48 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:48 pm to BoarEd
Thnks Boar. So I would surmise that there's no summary "firing" in the military, but instead the discharge process which is just that, a formal process that involves indispensable steps. Otherwise there's the court-martial process wherein you ain't going anywhere but the brig, if you're found guilty, of course. And sentenced to hard labor.
If the brothers conspired to leak that manuscript, and the evidence is there to convict, IMO that would be an instance wherein the maximum penalty should be aggressively urged by prosecution.
If the brothers conspired to leak that manuscript, and the evidence is there to convict, IMO that would be an instance wherein the maximum penalty should be aggressively urged by prosecution.
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:50 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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If they lose their security clearances they will be retired, they can't serve without security access.
Certainly not as a field grade, they can’t.
This Army War College stuff has got to be face-saving talk from his attorney.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:54 pm to davyjones
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So I would surmise that there's no summary "firing" in the military, but instead the discharge process which is just that, a formal process that involves indispensable steps. Otherwise there's the court-martial process wherein you ain't going anywhere but the brig, if you're found guilty, of course. And sentenced to hard labor.
No, a general court martial can also merely recommend a discharge under terms less than honorable.
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If the brothers conspired to leak that manuscript, and the evidence is there to convict, IMO that would be an instance wherein the maximum penalty should be aggressively urged by prosecution.
I don’t know about leaking the manuscript. What I do know is that there is ample evidence to charge Alexander with insubordination for going outside the chain of command.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:54 pm to Godfather1
However it works, and if possible, pension/retirement needs to be terminated in addition to any and all other punishment - in the case of determination of guilt of what would no doubt be a significant violation of law, of course.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:57 pm to davyjones
I'm sure the ukranian army could use those two in their fight with russia.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 5:59 pm to davyjones
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So I would surmise that there's no summary "firing" in the military, but instead the discharge process which is just that, a formal process that involves indispensable steps.
Yes. And under general circumstances the "out processing" step takes about six months. That's even if you're being discharged honorably.
First thing that will happen to these guys, IMO, is they'll be stripped of their commission and then all of their rank. They'll go down to E1 paygrade and be reassigned to some shite post while they wait for the rest of the process to unfold. It can take a long time.
When I was discharged, because it was a disability type discharge, the process took more like 1.5 years.
No telling how long this will take for these guys.
Also, in regards to these two Russian immigrant types holding such high rank, that is very odd. And even more odd is that they were able to coordinate this entire thing with each other. One brother was in position to approve the others actions.
Very strange. And John Bolton was the one that set them in their posts. Personally I think they're real life Manchurian Candidate types.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:00 pm to Godfather1
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by Godfather1
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:00 pm to BoarEd
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Very strange. And John Bolton was the one that set them in their posts. Personally I think they're real life Manchurian Candidate types.
Maybe to set them up? Apparently, it was known that the were Anti-Trump
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:03 pm to BoarEd
Thanks Boar. That's very interesting info.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:26 pm to boomtown143
How in the frick was that fat piece of shite selected for the fricking War College? As a student?????? bullshite. That is for those that are on the 0-6 (Full Colonel) list, isn't it?
Don't tell me that fat piece of shite is going to be fricking promoted!!
/rant over
Don't tell me that fat piece of shite is going to be fricking promoted!!
/rant over
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:30 pm to Godfather1
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If he’s facing any kind of charges, he ain’t going to AWC.
THIS. And there is NO frickING WAY either one of these pieces of shite get a top block OER. They will get a center of mass or below center of mass. They should be done as far as ANY further advancement.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:31 pm to boomtown143
So, this gentleman is in line to make O-6 (or so he thinks)?
Good luck with that...
Good luck with that...
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:32 pm to geaux88
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Don't tell me that fat piece of shite is going to be fricking promoted!!
Highly doubt it. It just is gonna take some time to deal with them. In the meantime the deep state types aren't wanting to admit these frickers are gonna be tried for treason.
The idea this guy will make Full Bird is ridiculous, IMO.
won't happen. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't experience some extra judicial punishment soon either. "Who ordered the code red??!"
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:32 pm to geaux88
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That is for those that are on the 0-6 (Full Colonel) list, isn't it?
No, it's a competitive selection - most O-5s are eligible to apply.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:33 pm to Godfather1
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AWC grads are usually on the fast track to a star on their collar.
To get a star the President has to nominate and the senate has to confirm. I will go out on Limb and say while Trump is President it will not happen.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:39 pm to cajunangelle
Was that a legit Purple Heart or did he suffer hangnails or bunions?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 6:43 pm to September 1948
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Was that a legit Purple Heart or did he suffer hangnails or bunions?
This kind of shite pisses me off. If you're being "fast tracked" up the ranks you come across these medals like they're fricking candy. Meanwhile, I know a guy who was shot three times in Bosnia and was denied a purple heart because it wasn't a "wartime incident."
They could go a long ways towards improving overall morale in the military if they'd just apply the same standards to everyone. If my buddy had been a Senator's son he would have been stacked with medals from that incident.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:01 pm to BoarEd
I did a little snooping and found out he was a "chow thief" and "lazy" in Ranger school Where they are often short on MRE's so people lose some 20 to 40 lbs.
And the Purple Heart was from being hit by an "IUD" while driving. But he was back at work the next day so not much of a wound.
IUD was how it was termed during his testimony before the House and was corrected. I remember that at the time.
I also saw that he was going to be welcomed back to the Pentagon by Esper. How can that be; he basically was treasonous or seditious. He shouldn't be anywhere close to that.
And the Purple Heart was from being hit by an "IUD" while driving. But he was back at work the next day so not much of a wound.
IUD was how it was termed during his testimony before the House and was corrected. I remember that at the time.
I also saw that he was going to be welcomed back to the Pentagon by Esper. How can that be; he basically was treasonous or seditious. He shouldn't be anywhere close to that.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 7:09 pm to UncleD7734
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I'm sure the ukranian army could use those two in their fight with russia.
Well, Ukraine offered Vindman their Minister of Defense post a couple times.
Which seems rather odd for a LTC in the Us Army.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 9:19 pm to geaux88
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How in the frick was that fat piece of shite selected for the fricking War College? As a student?????? bullshite. That is for those that are on the 0-6 (Full Colonel) list, isn't it?
Used to be for O-5 promotables and the odd Major who was a standout in Command and General Staff College. Which generally meant they were on track to become O-5s in a very short time themselves.
This was Desert Storm era. I don’t know what the standards are now.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 9:24 pm
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