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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? Ivermectin
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:52 pm to jonnyanony
Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:52 pm to jonnyanony
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Worth noting that in India, where it had the most use before availability of vaccines, hospitals have stopped recommending and largely stopped using ivermectin.
Worth noting, this was at the request (demand?) of the WHO. I had a thread with data from districts that received it, and those that refused it. It was startling. In short, it makes no sense to remove something that their front line workers reported was working.
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 10:55 pm to Bmath
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First time reading a paper? Those are totally speculative conclusions, and there is nothing definitive in the data to support anything other than a possible more robust study. Look at the graph, hardly any difference between treatments.
The graphs note using ivermectin alone.
That was one of the questions I put forth that you didn’t respond to. No offense, but despite your condescension, I am correct in what I asserted.
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Things unknown about the graph that you are using:
1. Was Ivermectin used alone?. In India, it was part of a cocktail including zinc and Doxycycline.
Answered above.
2. Were the age groups and comorbidities identical amongst both groups?
Random may not = identical. For the sake of the discussion, I concede your point and I will assume that it does.
3. When was Ivermectin given? It is widely held (even in India) that it works better early in the treatment phase.
This is not clearly defined.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:16 am to jimmy the leg
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The graphs note using ivermectin alone.
That was one of the questions I put forth that you didn’t respond to. No offense, but despite your condescension, I am correct in what I asserted.
It's literally in the abstract of the paper:
Patients were randomly assigned to receive standard of care (SOC) treatment at hospital admission; SOC plus ivermectin 100 mcg/kg; SOC plus ivermectin 200 mcg/kg; or SOC plus ivermectin 400 mcg/kg. The primary assessed endpoint was the proportion of patients who achieved two consecutive negative SARS-CoV-2 RT PCR tests within 7 days of the start of the dosing period. This study was registered at ClinicalTrials.gov (NCT04431466).
Standard of care included antibiotics, steroids, and supplemental oxygen as needed.
quote:
3. When was Ivermectin given? It is widely held (even in India) that it works better early in the treatment phase.
This is not clearly defined.
Section 2.3:
Patients randomized to Group SOC received standard of care treatment at the time of hospital admission according to the latest recommendations on managing COVID-19. Patients randomized to receive SOC plus an accumulated dose of ivermectin: 100 mcg/kg; 200 mcg/kg and 400 mcg/kg. Dose reductions, changes in dosage or changes in dosing frequency were not permitted at any time during the study.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:43 pm to Bmath
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As I've posted twice already:
There is little evidence to suggest that Ivermectin does anything.
I am confused. Your graphs say it doesnt but linked article says it does and is prophylactic in behavior if taken before infection…
???
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:44 pm to ChexMix
quote:because he is a idiot F retard fighting tooth ad nail against the USA
if it works, it works. Why denigrate a safe alternative to the vaccine?
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 2:50 pm to GetmorewithLes
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I am confused. Your graphs say it doesnt but linked article says it does and is prophylactic in behavior if taken before infection…
The authors just say that it may be effective. Nothing in their data is close to being conclusive.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 4:42 pm to Bmath
Well keep your head in the sand, we expect no less. Funny how you are so secure in your belief the mRNA vaccines are safe and effective when more and more is showing they are neither.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 7/30/21 at 4:52 pm to I B Freeman
Type your search interest into the task bar and hit enter.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:24 pm to BillRose
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Well keep your head in the sand, we expect no less. Funny how you are so secure in your belief the mRNA vaccines are safe and effective when more and more is showing they are neither.
Where did I say anything about the safety or efficacy of mRNA vaccines?
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:25 pm to bizeagle
My gf dad just got us some. If I get Covid again I’m going to use it and definitely will tell how it goes.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:32 pm to Bmath
So your graphs illustrate exactly what I said...Ivermectin alone AFTER hospitalization.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 8:44 pm to bizeagle
I can personally attest that ivermectin works on covid.
I have now had covid twice (I know, you are not supposed to be able to get it twice but somehow I did).
I am pushing 60 and currently have a wide girth.
Second go round I took ivermectin, hcq, zpack and zinc on 2nd day symptomatic. I also had been taking D3, MultiVitamin and probiotic every day prior.
Was fever free 4 days symptomatic. For me covid was extreme fatigue and fever 101 - 102. Fatigue was gone day 5 on round 2 covid.
First go round with covid I did not take the ivermectin, hcq cocktail until day 5 symptomatic. Fever did end 5 days later but fatigue took 10 more days. Also, had breathing issues on round 1.
I have now had covid twice (I know, you are not supposed to be able to get it twice but somehow I did).
I am pushing 60 and currently have a wide girth.
Second go round I took ivermectin, hcq, zpack and zinc on 2nd day symptomatic. I also had been taking D3, MultiVitamin and probiotic every day prior.
Was fever free 4 days symptomatic. For me covid was extreme fatigue and fever 101 - 102. Fatigue was gone day 5 on round 2 covid.
First go round with covid I did not take the ivermectin, hcq cocktail until day 5 symptomatic. Fever did end 5 days later but fatigue took 10 more days. Also, had breathing issues on round 1.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:07 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Is the FDA really "attacking" Ivermectin or simply providing some common sense to those who want to rush out and take any drug they hear about.
Rushing a drug...rushing a drug. You mean like the crap that they are rushing onto everyone without true clinical trials.
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:12 pm to Chrome
curing anything is not a goal, contracts with other big pharma,their own investment they are corrupt
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:17 pm to Bayoutigre
they want to keep this ball rolling as long as possible,control the masses and make money
Posted on 7/30/21 at 9:26 pm to dafif
quote:I am convinced that any connection with the upper midwest gives people brain death syndrome..
Can you possibly be any more ignorant with your posting. Sheesh
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