re: Would you purchase the Yangwang U9?

Not in the least but unless you have lived under a rock or never been to a mechanic, it is extremely expensive to replace. What is your point?

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Like you do?? China contributes more pollution than 99% of the World combined, has no minimum wage, worker’s rights, doesn’t engage in free trade, openly manipulates their currency, and is still controlled by the CCP. Other than that it’s a great place to live

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I’m not extolling them or condemning them. I have spent a lot of time there, though, and started and led a location there for an American company. I have also lived elsewhere in Asia for several years. Pretty sure I’m above average in my understanding of the region (on this board, at least).

So, your issues with China are that it doesn’t do enough in workers rights or the environment, it manipulates the economy and trade, and the CCP?

Are you also an advocate for environmental and labor issues in the US?

Are you under the impression that the US does not actively manipulate the value of the dollar?

And, while the CCP can be criticized for the whole one-party rule thing (although this board loves to say the US is ruled by a Uniparty), they are not very “communist”.

U.S.- China relations are good at my house where a girl named Yang has been importing my wang.

Sure thing chief, my wife is Asian and have been there many times as well. It has a one party system that appoints the leader. He isn’t elected. Freedom of religion and speech is still highly regulated in public along with the internet. The only semblance of non Communism is in the limited economic freedoms granted to most citizens. Am I an advocate for worker’s rights and environmental rights in the US? No, but I am pragmatic and realize that the oceans and rivers cannot survive with billions of tons of waste that are pumped into annually by China/India. The Yangtze and Yellow rivers have massive swaths that are devoid of life including algae. Nearly every major metropolitan area in China has massive amounts of air pollutants and poor air quality. Again, other than that it is a great place

Hell Nah

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Who doesn't need a twerking car?

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Absolutely not.

They look like that got that car off a dead Chinese.

Solid reply. I’ll address a few points, in a good faith debate. Not trying to stir shite.

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It has a one party system that appoints the leader. He isn’t elected.

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Let me acquaint you with the Democratic Party and their nomination process for the last 3 elections.

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Freedom of religion and speech is still highly regulated in public along with the internet

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No argument, but the last 10 years of social media have me questioning the value of everybody having access to a megaphone. I’m not just being flippant. There are seriously dangerous people in this country with big, influential platforms.

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The only semblance of non Communism is in the limited economic freedoms granted to most citizens.

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Starting a company there is actually easier than in many parts of the US. They definitely don’t want people getting too big for their britches and subverting the government, but I would again point to the lawfare of the last few years.

The pollution issue is indeed massive. On the other hand, India and China have a point when they note that we built massive industries in a similar way 50+ years ago. They are not completely oblivious to it though. I had stricter emissions requirements for machines I sold there than for Australia.

It’s a complex issue in a country without 200 years of law and enforcement. Hell, they literally execute business leaders that knowingly pollute.

They are also building nuclear plants out the yingyang. (See what I did there?)

I’ll even add the surveillance state, great firewall, and other civil rights issues, but counter them with the fact that the country is still young and was forged out of violent rebellion. Tianenmen scared the hell out of leaders that had launched their own rebellions (and the Culutral Revolution) very similarly.

I’m not blind to the faults. I’m just not blind to ours and our history, either, and I am fairly shocked that they have had as much internal upheaval as they have in the last 40 years without it getting out of hand.